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@AverageJoe1 saidOh?
We spent NOTHING in 1900 on the travelers.
Are you sure?
Were all those clerks, guards, interpreters and physicians at Ellis Island and other locations just working for free? Did fairies build the buildings and other facilities? Who paid to have those whose applications were rejected sent back to their home country?
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@Soothfast saidSorry….of course we had to pay the ‘gatekeepers’, et al. Certainly I was referring to supporting those people getting off the ships. No vouchers, no rooms, no nothing,they just started looking for work and it went from there.
Oh?
Are you sure?
Were all those clerks, guards, interpreters and physicians at Ellis Island and other locations just working for free? Did fairies build the buildings and other facilities? Who paid to have those whose applications were rejected sent back to their home country?
We give a lot to these healthy invaders, fat and happy. Hell they were fat when they got here. Compare them to the pitiful wretches 100+ years ago.
This serves to clarify my post,,,,they are costing Just One City billions. Billions. Ellis Island travelers, I don’t think so.
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@Soothfast saidThere is a lot of bounce. Hey did you just write that without making reference to the $5 billion that New York has shoveled out to these healthy invaders? You fellers do not close your posts.
The purple curve in the graph here...
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/naturalization-trends-united-states-2024
...shows nothing exciting, from a historical perspective, regarding US naturalization rates. There was a dip in 2020, probably due to the pandemic. Now it's bouncing back.
Ho hum.
There is no way that our jesters here would understand your post.
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@sonhouse saidNow now, panties in a wad. Yes, I highlight China because they are our global enemy. Yes there is scum in Mex with drugs, cartels, etc.. criminals. But, Our enemy China is a government, you silly goose.
@AverageJoe1
What is abundantly clear is you would ONLY welcome immigrants from say the Netherlands or Sweden or Norway and the like.
Families trying to escape cartels where the girls are forced into prostitution and the boys forced to be cartel soldiers, SEND THOSE ASSSHOLES BACK.
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@AverageJoe1
And it also makes no difference the majority of folks from Central America are fearful for their lives, daughters forced into prostitution, boys forced to be cartel soldiers, from you: "Go back to your country, suck it up losers'
Gosh, I had no idea China was our enemy. I thought it was Mexico or Guatemala.
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@sonhouse saidAnother prob w Sonhouse. He is shortsighted, and if I take his logic to conclusion, and I am correct here, there can be no border, …….no border would make sense. Our country would not be bordered. A border would dammit get in their way, they may get cut on a wire or a nail,,,,,all of that would have to be moved.
@AverageJoe1
And it also makes no difference the majority of folks from Central America are fearful for their lives, daughters forced into prostitution, boys forced to be cartel soldiers, from you: "Go back to your country, suck it up losers'
Gosh, I had no idea China was our enemy. I thought it was Mexico or Guatemala.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh SHouse. Yeah, I know you mean well, but you don’t think.
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@AverageJoe1 saidYes, we're a lot smarter than we were 100 to 150 years ago. We know that investments in people are wise.
Sorry….of course we had to pay the ‘gatekeepers’, et al. Certainly I was referring to supporting those people getting off the ships. No vouchers, no rooms, no nothing,they just started looking for work and it went from there.
We give a lot to these healthy invaders, fat and happy. Hell they were fat when they got here. Compare them to the pitiful wretches 100+ ...[text shortened]... ost,,,,they are costing Just One City billions. Billions. Ellis Island travelers, I don’t think so.
Most of those migrants are going to wind up working and productive citizens raising families and contributing an extra $1 trillion a year to GDP in just the next 10 years ago to CBO's estimates. The rather paltry amounts in comparison to get them on their feet here pale next to the mid and long run economic benefits.
Your and your white nationalist allies' ignorant bigotry would wreck the economy.
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@no1marauder
What he said, in SPADES.
less than average Joe refuses to even acknowledge the lack of farm workers where crop were going rotton on the vine because there was nobody to pick them so prices skyrocketed for such foods as a result of Trumps disastrous border so called 'policy'.
Now under Biden the amount sent back is lower than ever but that also falls on deaf ears and when I say deaf ears I really mean deaf brains.
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@no1marauder saidYou are exactly correct, that has never been a problem in this forum discussions… of course they are important to our country , about 2 million a year has worked ideally and peacefully. There’s nothing ideal or peaceful about these 12 to 15,000,000 people who have brought with them, horrible fentanyl, rapes murders the lack of which we have never seen, and I do not think they are the fault of Donald Trump. Maybe Sunhouse will weigh in on that. I can’t wait.
Yes, we're a lot smarter than we were 100 to 150 years ago. We know that investments in people are wise.
Most of those migrants are going to wind up working and productive citizens raising families and contributing an extra $1 trillion a year to GDP in just the next 10 years ago to CBO's estimates. The rather paltry amounts in comparison to get them on their feet here ...[text shortened]... nomic benefits.
Your and your white nationalist allies' ignorant bigotry would wreck the economy.
None of you at once ever said anything negative about this huge influx of invaders, and have not even recognized that they are truly invaders. Quite disingenuous for our side to have to deal with.
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@sonhouse saidSHouse. Sunhouse, are you in effect saying that we have to have these 15 million unvented people come into our country for some reasons, such as picking tomatoes and lettuce. What is your endgame. Why can you not write a normal post and tell us what your endgame is that is reasonable about accepting millions and millions of people into a country where about 2 million a year did the job. I am afraid this long question will be too much for you. But hopefully you will not mention Trump.
@no1marauder
What he said, in SPADES.
less than average Joe refuses to even acknowledge the lack of farm workers where crop were going rotton on the vine because there was nobody to pick them so prices skyrocketed for such foods as a result of Trumps disastrous border so called 'policy'.
Now under Biden the amount sent back is lower than ever but that also falls on deaf ears and when I say deaf ears I really mean deaf brains.
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@AverageJoe1 saidActually I've already presented to you the facts and studies which show that migrants, even undocumented ones, have a lower crime rate than native citizens. And just because Donald Trump says "rapes murders the lack of which we have never seen" doesn't make it true; the crime rate is actually down very substantially over the last few decades.
You are exactly correct, that has never been a problem in this forum discussions… of course they are important to our country , about 2 million a year has worked ideally and peacefully. There’s nothing ideal or peaceful about these 12 to 15,000,000 people who have brought with them, horrible fentanyl, rapes murders the lack of which we have never seen, and I do not think ...[text shortened]... even recognized that they are truly invaders. Quite disingenuous for our side to have to deal with.
No, I won't call people fleeing to this country "invaders"; I'd have to call myself a descendant of "invaders" if I did.
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@AverageJoe1 saidIf you're saying most of you right-wing monkey-spankers hereabouts cannot interpret a simple graph, I will concede your point.
There is no way that our jesters here would understand your post.
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@no1marauder saidNo,your forebears came in legally, you just said somewhere that people met and processed the boats……peacefully. So you are wrong there. They were not invading.
Actually I've already presented to you the facts and studies which show that migrants, even undocumented ones, have a lower crime rate than native citizens. And just because Donald Trump says "rapes murders the lack of which we have never seen" doesn't make it true; the crime rate is actually down very substantially over the last few decades.
No, I won't call people fleeing to this country "invaders"; I'd have to call myself a descendant of "invaders" if I did.
And I laugh at your justifying a lower crime rate for some unbelievable reason,. It is like my plain English analogy that only 16 children were killed in the street last year.. A real plus!
You see there would be zero crime rate if the invaders were not here. I don’t think your liberal mind can take in that one sentence.
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@AverageJoe1
Zero crime if they were not here. Wow, you mean NO white folks born here never do crimes on their own? I did not know that.
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@AverageJoe1 saidNo, that sentence is so ridiculously idiotic that not even a sub-moron like you could possibly believe it.
No,your forebears came in legally, you just said somewhere that people met and processed the boats……peacefully. So you are wrong there. They were not invading.
And I laugh at your justifying a lower crime rate for some unbelievable reason,. It is like my plain English analogy that only 16 children were killed in the street last year.. A real plus!
You see there wou ...[text shortened]... e rate if the invaders were not here. I don’t think your liberal mind can take in that one sentence.