04 Mar 11
Originally posted by FMFYou are avoiding a truth. Obama and company said that they favored a single payer system, however, they were one vote shy and had to settle for Obamacare. In fact, Congressman Kucinich led the charge saying that Obamacare was just another stimulus package for the insurance companies and would do nothing to keep costs down. He voted against it the first time around and led the charge for a single payer system, but then the second time around when they needed his vote to pass it, he mysteriously changed his tune after boarding Air Force One with a meeting with Obama. He then voted for Obamacare without taking back anything he said previously.
Of course not. The private sector has a massive role. And government has a role. Stop avoiding the question: on what basis do you seriously claim that "the Left" advocates the , and I quote you, "government [being] in full control of every aspect of the [...] economy".
Perhaps you do not favor a single payer system. Assuming you are telling the truth, which I question, I dare say you are the only lefty on this board who does not favor it. Most blame the private insurance companies for health care related problems.
Nevertheless, you at least favor Obamacare which increases greatly the role in health care. Basically they dictate to the public that they must purchase insurance and then dictate to the insurance companies the criteria they must meet to provide insurance. Of course, in the world of FMF there is no correlation with this to the government being in full control of health care. Naturally, you would then question the rest of my assertion that they are in full control of every aspect of the economy. Just turn your head and cough every time you see a TARP/stimulus program or see them taking over major corporations or monitize the debt or subsidizing corporate America etc etc.
04 Mar 11
Originally posted by whodeyThe question remains: on what credible basis do you seriously claim that "the Left" advocates the , and I quote you, "government [being] in full control of every aspect of the [...] economy". And on what evidence are you claiming that Obama is trying to "end capitalism"? The sheer sincerity of your disapproval of your opponents does not, in and of itself, make your claims true.
You are avoiding a truth. Obama and company said that they favored a single payer system, however, they were one vote shy and had to settle for Obamacare. In fact, Congressman Kucinich led the charge saying that Obamacare was just another stimulus package for the insurance companies and would do nothing to keep costs down. He voted against it the first tim ...[text shortened]... em taking over major corporations or monitize the debt or subsidizing corporate America etc etc.
04 Mar 11
Originally posted by whodeyYes I do question it. And you continue to refuse to substantiate the assertion - well of course you can't. Does me asking you to substantiate it make you feel I am attacking your credibility unfairly?
you would then question the rest of my assertion that they are in full control of every aspect of the economy.
04 Mar 11
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Originally posted by FMFThose on the left are dedicated to one thing and that is more government control. I suppose you could say that this does not mean that you support the end of capitalism, but it certainly means that you support the road that leads there.
The question remains: on what credible basis do you seriously claim that "the Left" advocates the , and I quote you, "government [being] in full control of every aspect of the [...] economy". And on what evidence are you claiming that Obama is trying to "end capitalism"? The sheer sincerity of your disapproval of your opponents does not, in and of itself, make your claims true.
In terms of the US government, they seem to prefer a certain degree of privitization in order to absolve themselves of any wrong doing. Case in point is the creation of the Fed and creation of Fannie and Freddie. All were the direct result of government control and centralized planning, but with a small twist as they were all declared "private", even though behind the scenes they are and were pulling their strings. So when these organizations go "bad", all Big Brother has to do is step back and blame private entities for their failures, which they recently had to do with Fannie and Freddie. And along side them will be people like FMF cheering them along the way.
04 Mar 11
Originally posted by whodeyWho exactly on "The Left" is "dedicated to [...] more government control"? Who are these people you keep referencing?
Those on the left are dedicated to one thing and that is more government control. I suppose you could say that this does not mean that you support the end of capitalism, but it certainly means that you support the road that leads there.
In terms of the US government, they seem to prefer a certain degree of privitization in order to absolve themselves of a ...[text shortened]... annie and Freddie. And along side them will be people like FMF cheering them along the way.
04 Mar 11
Originally posted by whodeyNone of this answers my question which is, upon what credible basis would you have us believe that "the Left" advocates the - and I quote your exact words here - "government [being] in full control of every aspect of the [...] economy"? Why do you keep side-stepping explaining this claim that you yourself made?
Those on the left are dedicated to one thing and that is more government control. I suppose you could say that this does not mean that you support the end of capitalism, but it certainly means that you support the road that leads there.
In terms of the US government, they seem to prefer a certain degree of privitization in order to absolve themselves of a ...[text shortened]... annie and Freddie. And along side them will be people like FMF cheering them along the way.