Debates
25 Oct 23
26 Oct 23
@rajk999 saidThat is not the sole aim of the death penalty. It is used as a threat to get people to cooperate.
I think you are wrong. its impossible for a dead man to commit a murder. So death does in fact stop that person from murdering again, which is the sole aim of the death penalty. Who cares whether it is a deterrent for others. When others commit a murder they will also die. Simple. No fancy analysis of why he had an assault rifle is required.
26 Oct 23
@athousandyoung saidIts the most important aim ie to remove the perp from society permanently, decisively and efficiently. Lifetime in prison is a waste of resources.
That is not the sole aim of the death penalty. It is used as a threat to get people to cooperate.
26 Oct 23
@rajk999 saidThe way we do it in the USA takes away any efficiency that might come from execution. It's a long, slow, expensive process. It doesn't save money when you do it with proper ethical diligence.
Its the most important aim ie to remove the perp from society permanently, decisively and efficiently. Lifetime in prison is a waste of resources.
26 Oct 23
@athousandyoung saidWell in countries that do not have a whole lot of money to waste, as long as there it is certain that the perps are guilty they are executed almost immediately. That makes sense . If there is a doubt and evidence is iffy then life in prison etc. Wasting time with psycho killers have cost countries like the US dearly. These killers are sometimes released and the kill again.
The way we do it in the USA takes away any efficiency that might come from execution. It's a long, slow, expensive process. It doesn't save money when you do it with proper ethical diligence.
@rajk999 saidCorrect. The man kills. Libs seem to care about whether killing the killer deters others from killing. Whether it does or not, his punishment is the matter of concern, is it not? Not how 'other people' may regard his punishment.
I think you are wrong. its impossible for a dead man to commit a murder. So death does in fact stop that person from murdering again, which is the sole aim of the death penalty. Who cares whether it is a deterrent for others. When others commit a murder they will also die. Simple. No fancy analysis of why he had an assault rifle is required.
You libs are a glued-together lot. A bit creepy, I would say.
27 Oct 23
@AverageJoe1
I don't what part of we know death penalty doesn't deter killings, that kind of thing never comes to mind in a killer but one thing we need to avoid is false arrests and executing innocent people. DNA helps out with that but some dudes spend decades in prison before it is proven they were innocent.
I guess that doesn't matter much to right wingers.
27 Oct 23
@averagejoe1 saidYou’re the one who wants the big nanny state to do your killing for you, typical nappy wearing illiberal.
Shallow stuff, here, Kev. Typical of one who looks to fed govt as if it is a big fat nanny upon which to suckle.
You see, Kev, anything NOT covered by the Constitution (follow me here) is within the purview of each separate state. So since Constitution doesn’t regulate that of which you speak, , , it is a state responsibility, as to how to punish criminals. Some execu ...[text shortened]... tion.
So you don’t want the man who mowed your dad down, from the back, to suffer the same end?
So no requirement in the constitution then just states doing their own thing, fertility choices, No, state murder Yes.
This is why the US isn’t really a nation Joe, it’s a loose conglomerate of wildly differing statelets, no unifying culture or phioophy.
27 Oct 23
@sonhouse saidWhy in the world would you 'guess that? Hey, I 'guess' that you, on the other hand, would countenance the outlandish idea that we pay off student loans of college graduates. Now, why would I guess that?
@AverageJoe1
I don't what part of we know death penalty doesn't deter killings, that kind of thing never comes to mind in a killer but one thing we need to avoid is false arrests and executing innocent people. DNA helps out with that but some dudes spend decades in prison before it is proven they were innocent.
I guess that doesn't matter much to right wingers.
27 Oct 23
@kevcvs57 saidWhat I 'want' is for the killer to be executed by whomever is in charge. That would be the leaders of the community/family that has been wronged. The feds in DC would have nothing to do with it. You libs have the hardest time grasping the logic of the simplest of issues on the Forum.
You’re the one who wants the big nanny state to do your killing for you, typical nappy wearing illiberal.
So no requirement in the constitution then just states doing their own thing, fertility choices, No, state murder Yes.
This is why the US isn’t really a nation Joe, it’s a loose conglomerate of wildly differing statelets, no unifying culture or phioophy.
I suggest you take a brisk morning walk everyday to clear your head.
27 Oct 23
@kevcvs57 saidInteresting. Please do a thread on differing cultures/philosophies.
This is why the US isn’t really a nation Joe, it’s a loose conglomerate of wildly differing statelets, no unifying culture or phioophy.
And thank you for recognizing the existence of said differences.
27 Oct 23
@athousandyoung saidSo killer gets to be free, the little boy is worm food. Can you say, without reservation, that this is a just ending to this murder?
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27 Oct 23
@averagejoe1 saidHe’s not free
So killer gets to be free, the little boy is worm food. Can you say, without reservation, that this is a just ending to this murder?
27 Oct 23
@athousandyoung saidSorry, I am a speed reader (Imagine me with SHouse posts!!) so I gathered he has been let out. I still don't know if he has, but he should never be.
He’s not free