15 Nov 19
@whodey saidThat wasn't what they were being pressured to do as you know.
So there is a corrupt benefit to the Ukrainians being asked to investigate corruption?
Do tell.
IF there was such "corruption" by the Bidens, how come no official investigation was ever commenced in the US by the Congress or the DOJ?
@no1marauder saidDo you really have to ask?
That wasn't what they were being pressured to do as you know.
IF there was such "corruption" by the Bidens, how come no official investigation was ever commenced in the US by the Congress or the DOJ?
I mean, the head of the DOJ under Obama met privately with Bill Clinton while investigating his wife. Gee, I wonder what bribes happened then.
Of course, they were just talking about their grandkids, right?
@whodey saidLast I checked, Obama was no longer in office.
Do you really have to ask?
I mean, the head of the DOJ under Obama met privately with Bill Clinton while investigating his wife. Gee, I wonder what bribes happened then.
Of course, they were just talking about their grandkids, right?
How come the Republican Congress and the Sessions/Barr DOJ never commenced an official investigation of this matter?
@no1marauder saidMaybe the same reason there are scores of people around him today trying to do him in since the day he took office
Last I checked, Obama was no longer in office.
How come the Republican Congress and the Sessions/Barr DOJ never commenced an official investigation of this matter?
It is the Swamp, after all.
But not even you called for any action against Obama for violating the War Powers Act, even though you admitted he had done so.
No endless posts about how Obama was a law breaker.
Amazing.
15 Nov 19
@whodey saidConspiracy theories and false "whataboutisms" seem the only answers right wingers can give these days.
Maybe the same reason there are scores of people around him today trying to do him in since the day he took office
It is the Swamp, after all.
But not even you called for any action against Obama for violating the War Powers Act, even though you admitted he had done so.
No endless posts about how Obama was a law breaker.
Amazing.
@no1marauder saidYou are the one with the tin foil hat on Spankey.
Conspiracy theories and false "whataboutisms" seem the only answers right wingers can give these days.
At least, that is what I heard sh tolk Metal Brain who was rated out by his brother.......from what I hear.
I have to say, I miss the Russian tin foil hat. What ever happened to that one?
15 Nov 19
@whodey saidCorruption follows corruption.
You are the one with the tin foil hat on Spankey.
At least, that is what I heard sh tolk Metal Brain who was rated out by his brother.......from what I hear.
I have to say, I miss the Russian tin foil hat. What ever happened to that one?
15 Nov 19
@whodey saidDidn’t I just see trump intimidate a witness as she was giving testimony?
Is it just me or are democrats not even using the term bribery in a correct manner? Shocking, I know.
Here is the definition I have.
Bribery
The offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of something of value for the purpose of influencing the action of an official in the discharge of his or her public or legal duties
How is Trump matching this definition even ...[text shortened]... their fake DNC run news as always by simply agreeing to the notion that Trump is guilty of bribery.
Yes. And you did too.
You enabler!
You should be ashamed!
16 Nov 19
@whodey saidIt's just you.
Is it just me or are democrats not even using the term bribery in a correct manner? Shocking, I know.
Here is the definition I have.
Bribery
The offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of something of value for the purpose of influencing the action of an official in the discharge of his or her public or legal duties
How is Trump matching this definition even ...[text shortened]... their fake DNC run news as always by simply agreeing to the notion that Trump is guilty of bribery.
16 Nov 19
@sh76 saidWhen does a political candidate become a real opponent? I think most democrats determine that by poll numbers and don't want to admit it. The nomination has not even been determined yet, so how valuable can an investigation into the Bidens be?
The question is whether the investigation of a potential political opponent is something of "value." Value traditionally means something pecuniary. A reduced sentence in exchange for testimony, for example, is not considered "value" for purposes of the federal bribery statute (18 USC 201) ( United States v. Feurtado, 191 F.3d 420 (4th Cir. 1999)). Is there case law that demonstr ...[text shortened]... federal bribery law without having received anything that could be construed as pecuniary in nature.
Where would the line be drawn? Do poll numbers matter? What if Trump had asked a foreign country to investigate Yang or Jill Stein? Would we even be talking about it? What if it was a candidate from a relatively unknown party like the US Marijuana Party?
When I asked no1 that question he avoided answering the question multiple times. Eventually he said poll numbers didn't matter. That just brings up more questions though. What if I ran for president with a newly created US Opium Poppy Party. I grow opium poppies in another country and I am suspected of making heroin and exporting it. The POTUS asks the president of that country to investigate me. Is that an impeachable offense?
Lets say my poll numbers are at about the same percent as CO2 in the atmosphere, 0.04%
I wouldn't be considered much of a rival with those numbers, but I could argue I am still a "potential" political opponent.
Impeachment of Trump would create a new precedent. The lines would need to be drawn somewhere. Where would you draw the line?
16 Nov 19
@shavixmir saidYou accepted that false narrative right away. Does Schiff tell you what to think?
Didn’t I just see trump intimidate a witness as she was giving testimony?
Yes. And you did too.
You enabler!
You should be ashamed!
Trump did not intimidate her at all. Did he indicate his tweet was meant for her? She would not have even known about the tweet if Schiff had not announced it to her. Maybe Schiff should be condemned for aiding in the intimidation. Him and whoever gave Schiff the paper with the tweet written on it. Schiff didn't even have a phone in hand. He had to rely on someone else monitoring Trump's tweets. So you have two people conspiring to aid in the intimidation of a witness by choice.
20 Nov 19
It was brought up in the hearings that the term "bribery" was not used once by any of the witnesses, and not even by democrats or cross examination, yet this is what the Dims say Trump is being impeached for?
All this appears to be is the Dims using their state controlled press to smear Trump every day in the news using fake news for the 2020 elections.
20 Nov 19
@whodey
You know full well Ukraine is a country in serious trouble and if Russia gets its way, there will BE no Ukraine, just another Russian state in their drive to rebuild the Soviet Union.
So a weak country like Ukraine, their president is going to go against whatever Trump says?
Exactly whose side are you on? Russia? Like Trump?
@Metal-Brain
“Tim Morrison, Alexander Vindman’s former boss, testified in his deposition that he had concerns about Vindman’s judgment,” the White House pushed to its 19.3 million followers shortly before 1:00 p.m.
Let's see. It does seem he attacked Vindman BY NAME and didn't even use his military rank you assshole.
All this goes to show Republicans have ZERO defense of the charges and therefore the only thing they can do is to attack the messengers in their deep desperation.
They also sincerely wish Trump would stop sticking his foot in his mouth with those tweets but that is not going to happen either since he is getting more and more senile day by day.