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Originally posted by finneganI could classify a great number of Progs I know the same way. 😛
"The unborn baby" is not an accurate way to describe the embryo or the fetus throughout pregnancy. It is emotive.
They just stand helplessly on the bridge waving their hands for someone to come save them.
If they were to try and live outside the womb of the nanny state they would not be viable.
02 Aug 15
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Originally posted by EladarDon't be so sure.
In any case, do fetuses turn into babies faster today than they did in 1960?
Premies are surviving at younger and younger ages. I suppose you believe that if a premie at that age can survive, then the fetus can no longer be aborted.
Don't forget, Progs tend to favor things like euthanasia.
Essentially, anyone that is no longer of value to the state and a burden on the state and is without political power can be targeted for extermination.
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02 Aug 15
Originally posted by EladarI simply repeat. If you are going to quote have the simple DECENCY to quote accurately.
You answered my question with a yes. You might want to read the quote more carefully next time.
What you are really trying to say, I think, is that you believe there is something sacrosanct about a fertilized egg. Here's a useful phrase: necessary and sufficient. Conception seems to be necessary for human life; it is obviously not sufficient.
02 Aug 15
Originally posted by stevemccSo if the premie can survive, then the baby can't be aborted at that age?
I simply repeat. If you are going to quote have the simple DECENCY to quote accurately.
What you are really trying to say, I think, is that you believe there is something sacrosanct about a fertilized egg. Here's a useful phrase: necessary and sufficient. Conception seems to be necessary for human life; it is obviously not sufficient.
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02 Aug 15
Originally posted by EladarI do not want to discuss this with you. I do not think you are listening. I think you believe in some absolute that I don't believe in. I think you think you are doing the work of God. And I'd like to hear you address the plight of the children already born who need the protection you want for fertilized eggs. But people on your (diminishing) side of this 19th century argument don't talk about those kids. You're entitled to your faith, but you're not in charge of the people who disagree with you.
So if the premie can survive, then the baby can't be aborted at that age?
Originally posted by stevemccYeah I know, you want it both ways and by saying there is nothing absolute you can then rationalize abortion at any stage.
I do not want to discuss this with you. I do not think you are listening. I think you believe in some absolute that I don't believe in. I think you think you are doing the work of God. And I'd like to hear you address the plight of the children already born who need the protection you want for fertilized eggs. But people on your (diminishing) side of this 1 ...[text shortened]... ds. You're entitled to your faith, but you're not in charge of the people who disagree with you.
Typical leftist who stands for nothing.
02 Aug 15
Originally posted by finneganIf by bigot you mean freedom loving person who believes in personal responsibility, then by all means I'm a bigot.
What a nasty, hysterical little bigot of a man you are.
Obviously such things as freedom and personal responsibility fly in the face of your ideological beliefs. You are a Marxist.
02 Aug 15
Originally posted by whodeyProgs just want to believe that there is nothing wrong with non-marital sex. Nothing can happen that an abortion can't handle.
Don't be so sure.
Don't forget, Progs tend to favor things like euthanasia.
Essentially, anyone that is no longer of value to the state and a burden on the state and is without political power can be targeted for extermination.
If you get a disease, that's why we have public funded health insurance.
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02 Aug 15
Originally posted by EladarSo the woman is not free to abort, but you are free. In fact you are freedom loving. And by personal responsibility you mean that you are free to dictate her responsibilities to her and she is not free to understand her responsibilities herself.
If by bigot you mean freedom loving person who believes in personal responsibility, then by all means I'm a bigot.
Obviously such things as freedom and personal responsibility fly in the face of your ideological beliefs. You are a Marxist.
Is she your slave?
You probably shouldn't use words you don't understand.
02 Aug 15
Originally posted by stevemccYou mean the woman is free to kill her child, then she is free.
So the woman is not free to abort, but you are free. In fact you are freedom loving. And by personal responsibility you mean that you are free to dictate her responsibilities to her and she is not free to understand her responsibilities herself.
Is she your slave?
You probably shouldn't use words you don't understand.
Pretty perverted definition of freedom, but whatever floats your boat.
02 Aug 15
Originally posted by EladarIt's like I always said, Progs only care about two freedoms, the freedom to kill their offspring and to medicate their guilt via illicit drug use free of state interference.
You mean the woman is free to kill her child, then she is free.
Pretty perverted definition of freedom, but whatever floats your boat.