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@eintaluj said
You should read Arendt's classical book

"The Roots of Totalitarianism"

I recommend.

The first chapter is about Jews. You can drop it.
The following chapters show that Stalin's and Hitler's regimes were highly similar in many important respects, they were different forms of the inhuman totalitarian regime.
Totalitarianism is only one aspect a fascism. Saying totalitarianism equals fascism is a gross over simplification. Was Mao's China fascism? It makes little sense to use the terms socialism and fascism interchangeably.

Kev is trying to butcher political science in an extremely stupid way. It is like he is saying "communism, fascism. What is the difference?" There is a big difference. He is just being a retard.

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@eintaluj said
You should read Arendt's classical book

"The Roots of Totalitarianism"

I recommend.

The first chapter is about Jews. You can drop it.
The following chapters show that Stalin's and Hitler's regimes were highly similar in many important respects, they were different forms of the inhuman totalitarian regime.
Yes. One was Nazism and the other was just a brutal dictatorship.

No one disagrees that Stalin was a bastard. He just wasn’t a Nazi or even a fascist.

Economically, Stalin’s regime was a version of State capitalism.
Morally, it didn’t matter what you were. So long as Stalin and his henchmen recognised you were on their side, you were safe. Sort of. I’m not saying Stalin wasn’t paranoid…

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@metal-brain said
From the link below:

"Putin's attack dog Medvedev rattles the sabre AGAIN: Now ranting ex-President claims Russia is 'running out of options' in Ukraine other than a full-blown ground war with NATO which would lead to a greater 'cost to humanity' than WW2

Putin may be pushed to start a full-scale ground war with NATO soon
Top Russian politician Dmitry Medve ...[text shortened]... ning-options-blown-ground-war-NATO-lead-greater-cost-humanity-WW2-warns-Presidents-ranting-ally.html
Stop promoting the Russian narrative.

I hear Kamchatka is nice this time of year.

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The truth just happens to be the Russian narrative. Biden is just a lying POS.
Jimmy Dore addressed the UN and told the world the truth.

https://rumble.com/v3ljh02-jimmy-dore-addresses-un-security-council-full-video.html

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@shavixmir said
Stalin was not a nazi.
No he was not a member of the NAZI party but in terms of his treatment of dissenters within Russia and enemies outwith Russia he followed the same extremist philosophy and killed a lot more people.
Explain the difference between a gulag or a salt mine and a concentration camp.
Stalins only saving grace was that he was not particularly anti semetic but if it served his ends I’m sure he would be and he definitely presided over a fascistic authoritarian regime.

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@kevcvs57 said
No he was not a member of the NAZI party but in terms of his treatment of dissenters within Russia and enemies outwith Russia he followed the same extremist philosophy and killed a lot more people.
Explain the difference between a gulag or a salt mine and a concentration camp.
Stalins only saving grace was that he was not particularly anti semetic but if it served his ends I’m sure he would be and he definitely presided over a fascistic authoritarian regime.
Stop lying.

Fascism is extreme capitalism, not socialism. Almost all regimes are authoritarian. If you called the DPRK a fascist regime political scientists would laugh you out of the room.

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@metal-brain said
Stop lying.

Fascism is extreme capitalism, not socialism. Almost all regimes are authoritarian. If you called the DPRK a fascist regime political scientists would laugh you out of the room.
You idiot do you think Stalin was a socialist.
Stalinism is where fascism masquerades as Socialism, instead of tycoons and an aristocracy you have a ruling class of party elites handing over to the next generation and the peasants live a subsistence level, no democratic pressure on the ruling elite, dissent met with death and hard labour / slower death.
Grow up

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@metal-brain said
Totalitarianism is only one aspect a fascism. Saying totalitarianism equals fascism is a gross over simplification. Was Mao's China fascism? It makes little sense to use the terms socialism and fascism interchangeably.

Kev is trying to butcher political science in an extremely stupid way. It is like he is saying "communism, fascism. What is the difference?" There is a big difference. He is just being a retard.
I do not understand what you are talking about. I have not said "totalitarianism = fascism". And I have not used the terms "socialism" and "fascism" interchangeably.

Instead, it is you who is using the terms you have let undefined. What I did was to suggest you a literature, the book "The Origins of Totalitarianism", to see the arguments that Stalinist and Hitlerian regimes were very similar is some important respects, both being a forms of totalitarianism.

Besides, I have not suggested that "socialism" is a form of totalitarianism. There are different levels in the history of the so-called "socialism" (a term you left undefined too). The Stalinist regime was totalitarianism, but socialism as such is rather better to be called an "authoritarian" regime. In the era of Stalin, for example, the secret police had an enormous power, which was reduced after his death. Mass repressions are also not a feature of the socialist system as such, but they definitely characterized Stalin's and Hitler's regimes.

Then how can I discuss with you, if you ignore me, if I am trying to use the terms more exactly, and you are attributing to me such confusion in terms that I have not made.

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@kevcvs57 said
No he was not a member of the NAZI party but in terms of his treatment of dissenters within Russia and enemies outwith Russia he followed the same extremist philosophy and killed a lot more people.
Explain the difference between a gulag or a salt mine and a concentration camp.
Stalins only saving grace was that he was not particularly anti semetic but if it served his ends I’m sure he would be and he definitely presided over a fascistic authoritarian regime.
Well, Nazism is a political fascist movement.
And Stalin’s regime was a state capitalist dictatorship.

Just because bother were murdering arse holes, doesn’t mean they can both be labelled in the same political category.

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@eintaluj said
I do not understand what you are talking about. I have not said "totalitarianism = fascism". And I have not used the terms "socialism" and "fascism" interchangeably.

Instead, it is you who is using the terms you have let undefined. What I did was to suggest you a literature, the book "The Origins of Totalitarianism", to see the arguments that Stalinist and Hitlerian regim ...[text shortened]... the terms more exactly, and you are attributing to me such confusion in terms that I have not made.
Once again: Was Mao's China fascism? Is Cuba a fascist country? Vietnam?
It makes little sense to use the terms socialism and fascism interchangeably.

Fascism is like capitalism on steroids. The state serves corporations instead of the common people. Kind of like what we have here in the USA. Socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor. Corporate welfare is a fascist element.

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@metal-brain said
Once again: Was Mao's China fascism? Is Cuba a fascist country? Vietnam?
It makes little sense to use the terms socialism and fascism interchangeably.

Fascism is like capitalism on steroids. The state serves corporations instead of the common people. Kind of like what we have here in the USA. Socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor. Corporate welfare is a fascist element.
I agree with your opinion that the West should not send weapons to Ukraine because there is highly suspicious political regime in Ukraine.

However, you have made several other conclusions I disagree with.

For example, I am of the opinion that there are serious flaws in Russian ideology as well. For example, as long as Russia erects monuments to Stalin and Dzeržinsky, regards all freedom fighters of the neighbouring countries as Nazis, ignores the fact that these countries did not join the Soviet Union voluntarily, but where occupied, ignores the fact that the Stalinist regime committed serious crimes (like deportations and mass murders) on the occupied territories - it is absolutely possible for Russia to have good relationships with its neighbouring countries.

Concerning what you said above:

I repeat, I have not said those things you are attributing to me, I do not know why you want to discuss "China's fascism" and, finally, I think you are intentionally blocking the discussion.

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@eintaluj said
I agree with your opinion that the West should not send weapons to Ukraine because there is highly suspicious political regime in Ukraine.

However, you have made several other conclusions I disagree with.

For example, I am of the opinion that there are serious flaws in Russian ideology as well. For example, as long as Russia erects monuments to Stalin and Dzeržinsky, ...[text shortened]... nt to discuss "China's fascism" and, finally, I think you are intentionally blocking the discussion.
No, I brought up China, not Russia. You digressed to evade my question.
Answer my question.

Was Mao's China fascism? Yes or no?

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@metal-brain said
No, I brought up China, not Russia. You digressed to evade my question.
Answer my question.

Was Mao's China fascism? Yes or no?
I am incompetent to answer. It depends on historical facts I have not studied.
It also depends on the definition of "fascism" used.

Take such a short definition:

"Fascism is the political regime of the cooperation of state power with the corporations."

Using that definition, the present regime in the US is a perfect example of fascism.
Perhaps, the present regime in Russia is also fascist.
But Mao's China, I suppose, had some form of communist regime, therefore, the element of "corporations" was missing, therefore, I suppose that Mao's regime can be called "fascism" only in some metaphorical sense of the word, not in the sense defined above.

However, I repeat (already third time) that I have NOT called Mao's regime or Stalin's regime as "fascism". Instead, I called Hitler's and Stalin's regimes both "totalitarianism".

The term "totalitarianism" is logically well-defined.

In turn, the term "fascism" is very vague, sometimes people mean the historically complex event without being able to define its essential features.

The term "Nazi" is also pretty vague. Above, you used this term in the historical sense.

In the logical sense, the following definition would work, I believe:

NAZISM is an extreme form of NATIONALISM.

In the present Ukraine, Nazism is present both in the historical form (the Nazi symbols, etc.) and in a logical sense as well: their ideology since 2014 can be described as a form of racism and an extreme form of nationalism.

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@EintaluJ
My point is that totalitarianism does not equal fascism. Nobody is calling the DPRK a fascist regime. The DPRK is not a free market economy.

Totalitarianism does not respect political boundaries.

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@metal-brain said
The truth just happens to be the Russian narrative. Biden is just a lying POS.
Jimmy Dore addressed the UN and told the world the truth.

https://rumble.com/v3ljh02-jimmy-dore-addresses-un-security-council-full-video.html
The truth dies when Republicans believe Vladimir Putin over the President of the United States.

Jimmy Dore is a freaking idiot, just like you.

Rumble is a cesspool of conservatards.

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