Capital Punishment and Culture of Death

Originally posted by bbarr
This is his point: Since Condoms prevent conception, and since conception is the beginning of a human life, condoms prevent humans from coming into existence. In other words, speaking counterfactually, humans that would have existed otherwise are prevented from coming into existence by condom use. Thus, if you morally equate the prevention of a being from c ...[text shortened]... lly equivalent to mass murder. I don't agree with this argument, but it is an interesting one.

Interesting, yes. Correct, I dont think so. I believe that sex is supposed to be for someone you truly love, not just for someone you meet one day and decide to sleep with the next. Obviously, this statement itself is open to debate, since many see sex as solely a form of recreation. I do not. I believe that sex can be, and should be enjoyed, but with the right person and at an appropriate time. Preferably someone you truly love and care about, with someone you've been with a longer amount of time (ie: committed relationship), and someone who you trust that cares and loves you just as much. I do not see anything wrong with your girlfriend/wife taking the pill if you're not ready for children or, vice-versa, if you already have children. Same thing applies with condoms. However, if you DO truly love her and care about her as much as you say that you do, you should have no problem with accepting the responsibilities of fatherhood if she gets pregnant. This is where the problem of abortion comes in. Many (not necessarily most, but many) people have recreational sex with someone they've just met, make a "mistake" by not protecting themselves and the end result is that the girl gets pregnant. What now? Many say an abortion is the way out. I say, pay for your mistakes. Be mature enought to accept the responsibilities that come with your actions. If you risked the chance that you could get pregnant, you also risk the chance that your life could change dramatically. And here we see the issue. Those in a committed relationship with their partner usually have the baby. Those who are not, go for the abortion. Killing that baby in your womb does not kill the guilt that comes afterwards. There are many people still seeking adoption in this world, who wish that they could have a baby. Give them that opportunity for parenthood if you cant do it yourself. Abortion doesnt teach anyone a lesson. It just tells people that it's OK to have unprotected sex, and then just kill that new life every time you do. I personally dont think that this is the right direction to go in, from a moral standpoint. Easier, yes. Right, no. It doesnt teach responsibility or care for life; if anything, just the opposite. Most of the time, if your in a committed relationship, marriage would be the next thing on your "To do" list.

Is contraception wrong? To be honest, I dont think so. It prevents you from having more children, say, if you already have 3 or 4 and you honestly dont have enough money to feed another mouth. It also prevents you from getting your girlfirend pregnant before marriage. Many would argue to just wait until you get married. I'm not against it, but I realize that this is a hard message to get across when it seems that "everyone else is doing it". Contraception prevents life, your absolutely right, but it doesnt destroy it. Abortion destorys it. That's the difference.

Originally posted by no1marauder
It is always interesting to me that the vast majority of conservatives favor the death penalty. If "government is the problem, not the solution" -Ronald Reagan, why do you want that government to have the power of death over ...[text shortened]... o much distrust in (the government) to have such ultimate power?

This conservative doesn't support the death penalty unless it is a heinous crime, i.e against children or wanton mass murder and the perpetraror is irrefutably guilty. I do support life inprisonment for capital murder, and I mean LIFE behind bars..no cable TV, no chance to earn a Doctorate degree, no subscription to porn, no expensive weights to get buff...just 23 hours in a cell and one hour for excercise, or eight hours breaking big rocks into little rocks...basic library books to read....that's what life in prison should be like...don't you agree?

Originally posted by chancremechanic
that's what life in prison should be like...don't you agree?

I'd like to see a thread started on this topic of Rehabilitation and Punishment in the penal system. I don't agree to the extent that you do, but I think both sides of the discussion could be explored. If you want, start a thread and I'll jump in.

Nemesio

Originally posted by lioyank
Interesting, yes. Correct, I dont think so. I believe that sex is supposed to be for someone you truly love, not just for someone you meet one day and decide to sleep with the next. Obviously, this statement itself is open to debate, since many see sex as solely a form of recreation. I do not. I believe that sex can be, and should be enjoyed, but with the r ...[text shortened]... , your absolutely right, but it doesnt destroy it. Abortion destorys it. That's the difference.

Good it or not, but life is more complex than any concept. Without common sense, any idea is doomed to be turned into absurd. Where is line between life and potential life or is abortion moral or amoral, everybody decides for himself - there is no point to argue about this. But since you have common sense, you probably agree that there could be exceptions, when abortion is admissible for you. And such criterias would be difficult to define/enforce. In order to survive, society developed some basic imperatives. But imperative is something in which overhelming majority agrees - there could not be too much such things. Abortion is the right, if it is against one's principles - fine, nobody can force it.