05 Dec 06
Originally posted by JeeJee: " ..... an irresponsible romantic adventurer, a dangerous political clown"
They had nothing in the begin: the only richness of their country, petrol, was given by the former government to american companies!
"an irresponsible romantic adventurer, a dangerous political clown"
Do you have anything to support this claim?
Do you have anything to support this claim?
Yes, read my posts. The four bad signs I mention are the fundament of my criticism and the reasons why I describe the man in the way I do.
05 Dec 06
Originally posted by JeeJee: "... have a look at what is currently happening in Congo."
Well no,
1) the wrongdoing of USA (among other superpowers) is a good enough reason to be happy for Venezuela and its people that a democraticaly elected president is managing to keep the rich assets of his own country for his own citizen.
Actually it is an historical moment in world history. If you aint convinced, have a look at what is currently happenin ...[text shortened]... sets of their own country. The american companies will stop stealing it...for a while at least.
What do you mean ?
05 Dec 06
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Originally posted by ivanhoeSo to be a god president you have to:
Yes, read my posts. The four bad signs I mention are the fundament of my criticism and the reasons why I describe the man in the way I do.
1) get your votes from the rich ones
2) Not look support to anybody that the US don't like for the moment but who were great friends when we were selling them weapons, 20 years ago.
3) not say anything negative against the USA
As long as the US companies are currently:
1) the major to polute the earth
2) the major to keep third world country artificialy poor
3) currently creating a war against a country that NEVER attacked the USA
it would be criminal to act like everybody else: shutup and close your eyes.
That's what almost everybody did during the nazi, pinochet, mobutu and so on and so on.
It's so refreshing that someone call the real terrorist for what they really are.
And on top of that, Chavez is saying out loud what the majority of people on earth think.
The only part that you can hear is the one about Bush.
Bush aint important at all, he aint deciding anything: companies are.
What don't you start listening about what Chavez says about it's country. Maybe those information dont reach you through the filter of the media. Chavez is reduce to a clow that says Bush is bad, and you are falling deeply into that propaganda.
If one thing, that video should have convinced you of, it would be to never believe what the media says, especially about Chavez.
05 Dec 06
Originally posted by JeeYou are turning this discussion into a "if you criticise Shavez, you are a Bush supporter" debate.
So to be a god president you have to:
1) get your votes from the rich ones
2) Not look support to anybody that the US don't like for the moment but who were great friends when we were selling them weapons, 20 years ago.
3) not say anything negative against the USA
As long as the US companies are currently:
1) the major to polute the earth
2) the majo ...[text shortened]... onvinced you of, it would be to never believe what the media says, especially about Chavez.
Sorry, the situation is much more complex than that.
05 Dec 06
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Originally posted by ivanhoeYOU are the only one talking about USA and Bush.
You are turning this discussion into a "if you criticise Shavez, you are a Bush supporter" debate.
Sorry, the situation is much more complex than that.
The ONLY arguments that you gave us are in regard to Bush or America.
I am telling you:
Originally posted by Jee
Bush aint important at all, he aint deciding anything: companies are.
What don't you start listening about what Chavez says about it's country.
And if you have any idea about the situation, then explain it to me without mentioning again Bush or America.
It would be a good start to show how much you know if you write his name correctly : Chavez 😛
05 Dec 06
Originally posted by JeeJee: "The ONLY arguments that you gave us are in regard to Bush or America."
[b]YOU are the only one talking about USA and Bush.
The ONLY arguments that you gave us are in regard to Bush or America.
I am telling you:
Originally posted by Jee
Bush aint important at all, he aint deciding anything: companies are.
What don't you start listening about what Chavez says about it's country.
And if you have any i ...[text shortened]... d be a good start to show how much you know if you write his name correctly : Chavez 😛[/b]
Not true, I'm afraid.
06 Dec 06
Ivanhoe,
I think you would do well to stop trying to engage Jee in an intellectual discussion as it is quite clear from reading the previous posts involving your feeble attempt at intellectual jousting that you simply have been found wanting in every department, indeed if jousting is the correct description then the commentary should read that Ivanhoe fell of his horse without every raising a lance.
In short Jee took the trousers off you to the point of embarrassment.
Chavez for president........ of the USA
06 Dec 06
Originally posted by JeeActually, YOU were the one bringing the US and Bush into this, not ivanhoe. This is clearly seen in your post that I quoted.
Originally posted by ivanhoe
[b]Shavez is buying his votes from the poor. That's bad sign number one.
You mean instead of buying his votes from the rich, the american way? Being nice to companies that polutes the earth, empty third world countries from all their assets (what the USA where doing as well in Venezuela before Chavez came), and rubing ...[text shortened]... as already the blueprint to rebuild Venezuela.
Have you watched the video I posted?[/b]
06 Dec 06
Originally posted by JeeAlso this one.
Have you really watched it?
So you've seen how the assets of Venezuela are stolen by corrupted government that Chavez wants to replace.
So you've seen how the Americans lie openly in order to keep making money with venezuelan petrol.
So you've seen the way the american media - which provide the info/images for the majority of tv network in the world - ...[text shortened]... our eyers and ears closed.
Or maybe you have volunteered for the Mkultra programme 😀
And for the record, I don't support Bush or Chavez. I just dont like how you're saying that ivanhoe is the one that brought the US and Bush into this argument, when it was clearly you.
06 Dec 06
Originally posted by lioyankNice try lio baby, but why don't you quote the original assertion from Ivanhoe - with his american bits - , instead of me bouncing on his "Chavez is bad because he doesnt like America". And then put your trousers back up too.
Also this one.
And for the record, I don't support Bush or Chavez. I just dont like how you're saying that ivanhoe is the one that brought the US and Bush into this argument, when it was clearly you.
So strange that you forgot to quote me on the "Bush aint important" bit. You must have just forgotten I presume, or maybe it was kinda ruining your point.
Two posts for that! You know where to invest quality time buddy!
Aint sure this thread is about me or Bush. Have something to say about Chavez, or don't bother posting.
07 Dec 06
Originally posted by whiteroseOh yes written by a bunch of catholic nuns and other nutjobs who wouldn't know the right end of a rifle.
Interesting. I used to get this news letter called School of the Americas watch which said all sorts of terrible things about the U.S. training military personel to impose control over south American countries, oust any leaders they didn't like, and basically impose military rule. I never really looked into it, but if it is even remotely true then I can see why they love this guy.
