Chimps on typewriters for infanaty will write skak

Originally posted by royalchicken
Since SVW has asked us to discuss this:

In the last bit, aren't you assuming something slightly weaker than normality as part of your definition of 'random'? (An infinite sequence of characters is 'normal' if every finite sequence appears in it equally as often as others of the same length). However, whether or not the decimal expansion (I thi ...[text shortened]... hich we are not certain is normal, we can't be sure until we see one that any 0s appear at all.

More simple still... "Can you spell one chance in a billion?"

Which brings up the deeper math. Suppose one found a "paragraph" typed by a chimp in a billion year effort.

Which is statistically more likely? That the chimp "wrote it"? Or that the chimp "typed it"?

Originally posted by StarValleyWy
More simple still... "Can you spell one chance in a billion?"

Which brings up the deeper math. Suppose one found a "paragraph" typed by a chimp in a billion year effort.

Which is statistically more likely? That the chimp "wrote it"? Or that the chimp "typed it"?

That's a very good question. We'd have to work out how much of human creativity is derived from the 0.6% of our genetic makeup not shared with a chimpanzee. Such a question would be a very good place for Bayesian inference, since we have some evidence (a chimpanzee typed something) and wish to consider the claims 'the chimpanzee created this' (assuming that were well-defined) versus 'this text is the product of a random process of some sort' in light of this evidence. If I ever get round to finishing the 'creation myth' on weighing evidence at FW, I might try to use this as an example. I hadn't thought of it that way at all.

Originally posted by royalchicken
That's a very good question. We'd have to work out how much of human creativity is derived from the 0.6% of our genetic makeup not shared with a chimpanzee. Such a question would be a very good place for Bayesian inference, since w ...[text shortened]... se this as an example. I hadn't thought of it that way at all.

All SVW is worth is a new way of viewing the obvious.

Or so I have been told.

Another one.

If god did create man, why did he do it? It seems evident to most, but I wonder why such a being would do such a fruitless thing. Any ideas?

Start by assuming that God wanted to "populate" a hundred billion planets.

Originally posted by StarValleyWy
You offer a straw man argument.

Would not it make better sense to ask, "Why did God forsake us to such a silly existence?"

But forgive me. One bad argument deserves another.

Do I have a lot of time? Wow! I'll have to think on that. I don't think you are correct in that. I will be dead within twenty years. Prolly. Maybe within five.

Why ...[text shortened]... ugh the portal, I turned off the way-back machine and said, enough is enough. Until next time."

Earth had 5.5 billion years, but according to evolution, it was all bacteria for the first 4.5 billion years. But then(!), during the Proterozoic eon of the Precambrien, there was "mass radiation" and animals come out of nowhere. Apparently, evolution was a slow study, but when he/she/it figured out how to do it, it went buck wild!

Life goes on for a while, presumably mutating to make up for the lost time spending 4.5 billion years as bacteria. We then come to the Cretaceous period where there was a mass extinction. 99% of all life dies out. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Also during the Cretaceous, the land goes from being one super continent to seperation closely resembling what we have today. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Let's recap:

1. For some reason, life was fine being bacteria for 4.5 billion years. Then, just because, mutation sped up exponentially, and animals appear.

2. Life continues for a bit.

3. Boom! Mass extinction! 99% of life dies out. Must blame big rock from space that is just large enough to kill 99% but not large enough to shatter the Earth.

4. Land spreads out during this time too, resembling in large part the layout we have today.

Hmm.

Could I make a suggestion to parallel those?

1. God forms the Earth, and bacteria to take care of it (ridding of waste).

2. God then forms animals.

3. From the fall of Adam and Eve to Noah, life goes on.

4. Sin abounds. God needs to rid the world of purely evil men. Flood occurs. 99% of all life dies. The layer of iridium that is found around the world (correct me if I'm wrong, but iridium is formed under pressure, does land being submerged under miles of water suddenly cause a lot of pressure?). Chalk (limestone) is found around the world. Limestone is formed by water.

5. The animals and Noah leave the Ark, the animals spread quickly to find scarce food. A lot of big animals just can't find enough and die (i.e. dinosaurs). Subsequent earthquakes from water disappearing rapidly into the ground form more volcanoes, mountain ranges, and break apart the continent taking animals with it. Humans stay around the location of the Ark (Africa/Middle East) and spread out over subsequent generations.

Originally posted by StarValleyWy
All SVW is worth is a new way of viewing the obvious.

Or so I have been told.

Another one.

If god did create man, why did he do it? It seems evident to most, but I wonder why such a being would do such a fruitless thing. Any ideas?

Start by assuming that God wanted to "populate" a hundred billion planets.

God created man for fellowship, and to give us the gift of love. Take it.

Originally posted by Darfius
Earth had 5.5 billion years, but according to evolution, it was all bacteria for the first 4.5 billion years. But then(!), during the Proterozoic eon of the Precambrien, there was "mass radiation" and animals come out of nowhere. Appare ...[text shortened]... frica/Middle East) and spread out over subsequent generations.

You miss the obvious. Study the moon. See those big craters?

Each of those (that hit the earth, and thousands did) killed all life on earth and it started over.

Or do you think that god only blasted the moon?

Originally posted by Darfius
God created man for fellowship, and to give us the gift of love. Take it.

That I like.

Ok.

I like and love all of the people I have yet to meet.

If that is God, that is great.

I was fooled. I thought for a moment that he actually created all the religions. Sorry.

Originally posted by StarValleyWy
That I like.

Ok.

I like and love all of the people I have yet to meet.

If that is God, that is great.

I was fooled. I thought for a moment that he actually created all the religions. Sorry.

He both did and did not create all religions. All religions knew there was a God, but picked the wrong one. Judaism formed when the true God came to set the record straight with the people descended from the people who worshipped him from the formation of the earth.

But yes, He does love you, Star, and I will pray every night that you come to Him.

Originally posted by Darfius
He both did and did not create all religions. All religions knew there was a God, but picked the wrong one. Judaism formed when the true God came to set the record straight with the people descended from the people who worshipped him from the formation of the earth.

But yes, He does love you, Star, and I will pray every night that you come to Him.

Hey. Tell god. Not me.

If you can.

I wonder what it would mean if a silly chimp came to God.

Any thoughts on that?

Originally posted by Darfius
God created man for fellowship, and to give us the gift of love. Take it.

Love is a human evolved emotion. We love our kids thus they continue to exist we love each other therefore protect each other etc for continued existance.
Therefore god must of evolved to have a urge to want humans to continue existing.