07 Mar 23
@shavixmir said"What sort of a world would we be living in if everything comedians said couldn’t be hurtful, when said in jest?"
You explain the difference between comedy and non-comedy perfectly well. I’m surprised you find it hard to comprehend why the reactions to both are different.
Frankie Boyle, Jimmy Carr, etc. say much worse things to the audience. It’s part of their routine.
You can’t have them being beat up.
Indeed, I’ll go one step further: it’s the role of the comedian to make fun ...[text shortened]... f a world would we be living in if everything comedians said couldn’t be hurtful, when said in jest?
An impossible world. There is no "hurt-o-meter" you can apply to a joke and see its level of offensiveness. What offends someone might not another.
A comedian makes a joke, then tests it on audience. Depending on the reaction, he adjusts it, abandons it or adds it to their repertoire.
@zahlanzi saidYes, this is the case in most places around the world. Pick any random spot on earth and the chances are quite likely that insulting a man's wife could result in a fight and the guy making the insult would get no sympathy for getting his ass kicked.
"If most people would be understanding of a man punching the guy out in the street for insulting his wife"
I refuse to believe most people would be understanding of that. If it really is the case, it would be sad.
"I expect some people will say that violence over mere words is never okay, regardless of location, and I agree. "
This is contradicted by your previous statements.
Like what? When I said I obviously don't condone violence?
I'm not advocating attacking people for words, I'm merely addressing the real fact that the average person would blame the guy making an unprovoked insult if he got punched. If you "refuse to believe" this, you may have been raised in a pretty squeaky-clean area.
Apart from that I agree with your points.
@vivify saidSmith and his family court publicity in very aggressive ways and then turn up at a billion dollar comedy gig and expect to be exempt from being critiqued on their appearance by the host / resident comedian who they know to be near the knuckle.
Yes, this is the case in most places around the world. Pick any random spot on earth and the chances are quite likely that insulting a man's wife could result in a fight and the guy making the insult would get no sympathy for getting his ass kicked.
[b]"I expect some people will say that violence over mere words is never okay, regardless of location, and I agree. "
This i ...[text shortened]... ou may have been raised in a pretty squeaky-clean area.
Apart from that I agree with your points.
The money she’s got out of that town and her notoriety she should have stood up and taken a brazen bow and did something positive for alopecia areata sufferers, instead her husband confirmed it’s something to be ashamed of and women need a man to address their critics for them with violence. Nice example to all the kids watching the show. I just hope they don’t think they’ll get away with it like the over privileged Smith did.
07 Mar 23
@vivify said"I'm not advocating attacking people for words, I'm merely addressing the real fact that the average person would blame the guy making an unprovoked insult if he got punched"
Yes, this is the case in most places around the world. Pick any random spot on earth and the chances are quite likely that insulting a man's wife could result in a fight and the guy making the insult would get no sympathy for getting his ass kicked.
[b]"I expect some people will say that violence over mere words is never okay, regardless of location, and I agree. "
This i ...[text shortened]... ou may have been raised in a pretty squeaky-clean area.
Apart from that I agree with your points.
I don't understand. So YOU don't think it's ok to attack people for insulting your wife, you're saying OTHERS think it's ok?
@kevcvs57 saidFrom what i remember about the video Smith even started to laugh at the joke before seeing Jada roll her eyes. He then reacted the way he thought Jada would have swooned over.
Smith and his family court publicity in very aggressive ways and then turn up at a billion dollar comedy gig and expect to be exempt from being critiqued on their appearance by the host / resident comedian who they know to be near the knuckle.
The money she’s got out of that town and her notoriety she should have stood up and taken a brazen bow and did something positive fo ...[text shortened]... the show. I just hope they don’t think they’ll get away with it like the over privileged Smith did.
A very healthy relationship.
07 Mar 23
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@vivify saidIt would be more understandable from some average guy on the street but how retarded or drunk would an adult have to be before calling out a strange woman on her alopecia. However with privilege comes responsibility and smith likes his privilege but cannot seem to take the responsibility that goes with it. This was an in group ripping each other Smith had obviously taken too many trips to the gents and it really irks me that he got away with something that the guy on the street would end up arrested for.
I don't condone it but it seems to be something most people would at least give a pass for.
07 Mar 23
@zahlanzi saidIt’s called “fighting words”
"I'm not advocating attacking people for words, I'm merely addressing the real fact that the average person would blame the guy making an unprovoked insult if he got punched"
I don't understand. So YOU don't think it's ok to attack people for insulting your wife, you're saying OTHERS think it's ok?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fighting_words
07 Mar 23
@zahlanzi saidNobody has a right not to be insulted.
"What sort of a world would we be living in if everything comedians said couldn’t be hurtful, when said in jest?"
An impossible world. There is no "hurt-o-meter" you can apply to a joke and see its level of offensiveness. What offends someone might not another.
A comedian makes a joke, then tests it on audience. Depending on the reaction, he adjusts it, abandons it or adds it to their repertoire.
Comedians make jokes. It’s life.
07 Mar 23
@kevcvs57 saidVery good Kev. Thumb up
Smith and his family court publicity in very aggressive ways and then turn up at a billion dollar comedy gig and expect to be exempt from being critiqued on their appearance by the host / resident comedian who they know to be near the knuckle.
The money she’s got out of that town and her notoriety she should have stood up and taken a brazen bow and did something positive fo ...[text shortened]... the show. I just hope they don’t think they’ll get away with it like the over privileged Smith did.
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08 Mar 23
@vivify saidIf you "refuse to believe" this, you may have been raised in a pretty squeaky-clean area.
Yes, this is the case in most places around the world. Pick any random spot on earth and the chances are quite likely that insulting a man's wife could result in a fight and the guy making the insult would get no sympathy for getting his ass kicked.
[b]"I expect some people will say that violence over mere words is never okay, regardless of location, and I agree. "
This i ...[text shortened]... ou may have been raised in a pretty squeaky-clean area.
Apart from that I agree with your points.
Despite what you believe the average person doesn't want to get involved in violence, regardless of where they were brought up.
For a start how often does your hypothetical insulting of random peoples wife's take place? Not often I'd imagine. Secondly, calling someone fat, or stupid or whatever while rude isn't a crime. Punching someone is assault, you say you don't condone violence but clearly you think it's ok. It isn't.
@kevcvs57 saidChris Rock was the bigger man and didn't press charges.
It would be more understandable from some average guy on the street but how retarded or drunk would an adult have to be before calling out a strange woman on her alopecia. However with privilege comes responsibility and smith likes his privilege but cannot seem to take the responsibility that goes with it. This was an in group ripping each other Smith had obviously taken too ...[text shortened]... really irks me that he got away with something that the guy on the street would end up arrested for.
Will Smith was banned from the Oscars for 10 years i believe and that's about it