12 Sep 08
Originally posted by NemesioYou're correct, I can exercise my right to boycott the stores I don't like, and I do. However, I disagree that the Gap, Kenneth Cole and Target are responding to market pressure to be more "socially conscience." What I suspect is that the jobs in the front office (i.e. marketing departments) of these stores don't pay much and all they can hire are naive young urban hipsters to work there. Since they don't have any experience, and have just completed four years of brainwashing, er, I mean college, and don't know anything anyway (come on, how smart can they be, they have marketing degrees), they act as echo chambers for each other and their respective brands. It's just a trend, and it will eventually pass.
Here's a thought: exercise your American right to boycott them. Write
them letters indicating that you won't purchase products from them while
they continue to 'coddle' to the liberals by supporting their 'agendas.'
If those stores aren't selling the products in the fashion you want them
to, then [b]don't buy them. It's that simple.
Obviously, ...[text shortened]... be 'green,' 'save more refugees,' &c,
that's what I think.
Nemesio[/b]
12 Sep 08
Originally posted by MrHandWhen government sets the wages for everybody, that's socialism.
You have refused to answer the same question twice now (essentially). I asked you a simple and direct question. Your dodging the question suggests to me that you are so self centered that you would rather save a dollar or two and exploit an impoverished nation than spend more money to do business with a company that pays it's employees reasonably.
This h ...[text shortened]... ocialism. Socialism is a system of governing. I'm asking you about your personal preference.
12 Sep 08
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Originally posted by der schwarze RitterYou still haven't answered my question.
When government sets the wages for everybody, that's socialism.
Yes, if government sets the wages, that is socialism. However, if a company is a "good corporate citizen," pays its employees fairly, advertises truthfully about this and reaps a reward via consumers choosing the company due to these things, that is capitalism.
Your initial post was criticizing companies for their social activism. From that, I gather that you prefer that your companies exploit impoverished nations ruthlessly. Is that correct?
12 Sep 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterCould you clarify what you mean by market pressure?
You're correct, I can exercise my right to boycott the stores I don't like, and I do. However, I disagree that the Gap, Kenneth Cole and Target are responding to market pressure to be more "socially conscience." What I suspect is that the jobs in the front office (i.e. marketing departments) of these stores don't pay much and all they can hire ar ...[text shortened]... each other and their respective brands. It's just a trend, and it will eventually pass.
12 Sep 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterOriginally posted by MrHand
You ought to know by now that I do not support socialism:
http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=4353
http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=1700
I agree that often it is nothing more than lip service, but you don't think that the people that make your jeans should be paid a living wage?
Can you actually answer this?
I mean, there is only one rational answer. Scared if you give it, it might seem socialist?
So ... yes or no?
12 Sep 08
Originally posted by treetalkAre you you asking me if I think that people that make jeans should be paid a living wage? My answer would be yes.
Originally posted by MrHand
I agree that often it is nothing more than lip service, but you don't think that the people that make your jeans should be paid a living wage?
Can you actually answer this?
I mean, there is only one rational answer. Scared if you give it, it might seem socialist?
So ... yes or no?
12 Sep 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterIf you are opposed to a US company paying their employees 50 cents/hour to make jeans, then why aren't you opposed to a foreign company paying their employees 50 cents/hour?
Clearly, someone who is paid a wage can not be a slave. Your line of reasoning is flawed. Rephrase your question.
Selective moralism?
12 Sep 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterSo, you think that the Gap, &c are losing money because there are more people like you who
However, I disagree that the Gap, Kenneth Cole and Target are responding to market pressure to be more "socially conscience." What I suspect is that the jobs in the front office (i.e. marketing departments) of these stores don't pay much and all they can hire are naive young urban hipsters to work there.
boycott 'green' products than there are people who purchase them because they are 'green'
products?
You mean to tell me that you think the CEOs are following the lead of 'naïve' marketing departments
and bleeding out money?
Your neuroses run deep, DSR. The more logical assumption is that they've tested the theory
that people prefer 'green' products at this time and are marketing them as such. Whether it's
a fad or not, it more than likely reflects the sort of customer that shops at such stores.
Nemesio
12 Sep 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterMissed this post before.
Clearly, someone who is paid a wage can not be a slave. Your line of reasoning is flawed. Rephrase your question.
Someone that is paid can be a slave.
Consider the following definition: a person entirely under the domination of some influence or person.
This is quite common all over the world. People are held, against their will, but paid a pittance for wages. I define that as being a slave.
However, I'd like to point out that you twisted the context of my question. I asked you whether or not you thought someone should be paid a living wage for making jeans (a yes or no question really).
13 Sep 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterYou and people like you don't spend enough money on clothing, I bet, for them to care what you think. Gay interior decorators and talk show hosts (not to mention privelaged young ladies) probably spend far more on clothing than you or I ever will.
Is anyone else tired of retailers like the Gap, Kenneth Cole, Target, etc. trying to one-up each other to see who can be more "green," promote more diversity, save more refugees, etc., etc., etc.? I think I'm social justiced out and would just like the retail chains I shop at to just sell me blue jeans, shoes, underwear, etc., and quit trying to ...[text shortened]... give a few pennies per shirt to save Africa. I guess I could say the same for my politicians.
Thus, they get to decide what politics the clothing stores have. Pretty simple. Money talks...not just having it, but spending it.