18 Nov 21
@sh76 saidLOL you're still on this jag?
https://covidestim.org/
Minnesota. Wisconsin. Michigan. Vermont. New Hampshire. Upstate New York.
What do these places have in common, aside from that they're all surging now in COVID cases?
I'll give you a hint. It's not that they all brought in Ron DeSantis to consult on COVID policy.
For every 100,000 Floridians, 70 residents died over the summer, while for every 100,000 Californians, 12 residents died.
Florida recorded 14,334 COVID-19 deaths in the summer — the worst tally of any state. California recorded 4,874.
18 Nov 21
@wildgrass saidFirst, do you concede that COVID surges are primarily seasonal?
LOL you're still on this jag?
For every 100,000 Floridians, 70 residents died over the summer, while for every 100,000 Californians, 12 residents died.
Florida recorded 14,334 COVID-19 deaths in the summer — the worst tally of any state. California recorded 4,874.
California has a very different climate pattern than Florida. Florida's peak season is naturally summer, while California's is not. Comparisons based on specific periods of time in different climates are apples and oranges.
Anyway, why compare FL to CA and not, say, NY and NJ? Both of those states have higher over-all death rates than FL.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
18 Nov 21
@sh76 saidWhat BS as always. Compare Florida's death rate this year to those States.
First, do you concede that COVID surges are primarily seasonal?
California has a very different climate pattern than Florida. Florida's peak season is naturally summer, while California's is not. Comparisons based on specific periods of time in different climates are apples and oranges.
Anyway, why compare FL to CA and not, say, NY and NJ? Both of those states have higher ...[text shortened]... than FL.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
@no1marauder saidLMAO! Why? So we can cherry pick exactly so that the data supports your point?
What BS as always. Compare Florida's death rate this year to those States.
Since infections build up immunity and kill off the most vulnerable, ignoring all of 2020 would be a truly absurd way to compare.
@sh76 saidYeah we've been over that. Many viruses are seasonal.
First, do you concede that COVID surges are primarily seasonal?
California has a very different climate pattern than Florida. Florida's peak season is naturally summer, while California's is not. Comparisons based on specific periods of time in different climates are apples and oranges.
Anyway, why compare FL to CA and not, say, NY and NJ? Both of those states have higher ...[text shortened]... than FL.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
We've been over your other point too. NY and NJ were hit with the initial early wave, when we didn't know how to treat it in the hospital, we didn't know it was airborne, vaccines didn't exist, we couldn't easily test for it, we weren't prepared with other tools to fight it, nurses and doctors were unable to find masks, grocery stores ran out of toilet paper, remember that?
The Florida wave was much much different. They had the tools to fight it and - when faced with a surge of cases - chose not to use them. In fact, they chose to actively prevent independently-run companies from using those tools. Their economy did better than California, that was the trade off.
19 Nov 21
@sh76 saidWell, I can’t say for sure in the US, but here in the Netherlands, if you’re vaccinated you are 17 times less likely to end up in hospital and 33 times less likely to end up in intensive care than unvaccinated people.
First, do you concede that COVID surges are primarily seasonal?
California has a very different climate pattern than Florida. Florida's peak season is naturally summer, while California's is not. Comparisons based on specific periods of time in different climates are apples and oranges.
Anyway, why compare FL to CA and not, say, NY and NJ? Both of those states have higher ...[text shortened]... than FL.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
The vaccinated people who do end up in hospitals are either very old or have underlying health problems.
I, for the sake of rationality, presume that these figures will be matched, roughly, in the US.
The only weather condition which really seems to impact corona is very hot and dry climates. Corona spreads less easily then.
So, at a guess (Florida being warm and wet, like labia) it will be a mix of age and the percentage of people vaccinated which tally up the death count.
If the great lake people are younger and more vaccinated, the death count will be lower.
19 Nov 21
@shavixmir saidI wonder if there is a correlation between people shipped in these high COVID areas that were infected as they crossed the border?
Well, I can’t say for sure in the US, but here in the Netherlands, if you’re vaccinated you are 17 times less likely to end up in hospital and 33 times less likely to end up in intensive care than unvaccinated people.
The vaccinated people who do end up in hospitals are either very old or have underlying health problems.
I, for the sake of rationality, presume that th ...[text shortened]... ath count.
If the great lake people are younger and more vaccinated, the death count will be lower.
19 Nov 21
@sh76 saidNo, I don't.
I don't know. Do you?
I do remember when Brazil was having a lot of covid cases. I think the Philippines was having a rough time of it as well back then. I have not noticed a seasonal pattern myself. Not like the cold and flu anyway.
Don't get me wrong, I think there may be an uptick of cases in winter because people spend more time indoors. I just don't see a big difference like the cold and flu.
19 Nov 21
@shavixmir saidCOVID positive people are coming in and, without precaution, are being shipped around the country; I hope this isn't news to you?
Infected as they crossed the border?
@sh76 saidNY has had 19,600 COVID deaths this year. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-york/
LMAO! Why? So we can cherry pick exactly so that the data supports your point?
Since infections build up immunity and kill off the most vulnerable, ignoring all of 2020 would be a truly absurd way to compare.
NJ has had about 9,000. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-jersey/
Florida had about 20,000 in three months between July 1st and September 30. That was roughly the period DeSantis rolled back mitigation measures for political gain. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/
Must be "seasonal".
19 Nov 21
@sh76 saidMy two cents is that the virus attacks in waves and could possibly be synced to seasonal changes such that the worst peaks would probably coincide with winter. On the way to winter you have Halloween Thanksgiving/Black Friday and the Yuletide season, with all the potential for super spreading events if you ignore social distancing and mask mandates during this period of intense social clustering. Is it just the weather, or does the weather encourage behaviour and closeness that is less common during warmer weather??
LMAO! Why? So we can cherry pick exactly so that the data supports your point?
Since infections build up immunity and kill off the most vulnerable, ignoring all of 2020 would be a truly absurd way to compare.
19 Nov 21
@dood111 saidLoL they failed.
Remember back when Biden was campaigning he promised that when he got elected he'd "Stop Covid Flat!" and it would be all over shortly after he got in office ?
Whatever happened to that?
But that's Trump's fault 🙄