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@no1marauder said"When reporting cause of death on a death certificate, use any information available, such as medical history, medical records, laboratory tests, an autopsy report, or other sources of relevant information. Similar to many other diagnoses, a cause-of-death statement is an informed medical opinion that should be based on sound medical judgment drawn from clinical training and experience, as well as knowledge of current disease states and local trends (6)"
"When reporting cause of death on a death certificate, use any information available, such as medical history, medical records, laboratory tests, an autopsy report, or other sources of relevant information. Similar to many other diagnoses, a cause-of-death statement is an informed medical opinion that should be based on sound medical judgment drawn from clin ...[text shortened]... t right wingers are insisting on now is varying from that general rule purely for political reasons.
You weren't complaining about this when they weren't distinguishing probable's in the reports! The fact that they are PROBABLE vs CONFIRMED is relevant information.
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@joe-shmo saidHow is it "relevant information" for determining what is on a death certificate AFTER that determination has already been made?
"When reporting cause of death on a death certificate, use any information available, such as medical history, medical records, laboratory tests, an autopsy report, or other sources of relevant information. Similar to many other diagnoses, a cause-of-death statement is an informed medical opinion that should be based on sound medical judgment drawn from clinical train ...[text shortened]... able's in the reports! The fact that they are PROBABLE vs CONFIRMED is relevant information.
Personally, I don't even think it's "relevant information" on published reports; if using sound medical judgment one determines that a death has been caused by COVID, then it should be reported as such. I can find no prior instance where reports of this nature broke down the cause of death into separate categories based on whether a confirming test was done. This is contrary to established procedure.
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@deepthought said"Edit: I'm referring to cases here rather than deaths. There are two counts in the UK for deaths, hospitalised deaths of test confirmed patients as reported by Public Health England and all deaths where covid-19 was on the death certificate as reported by the Office of National Statistics - the former is quicker and the latter has a fortnight's delay."
There's a similar thing going on with the UK figures. Initially they were attempting contact tracing, but that fell away as they realised they could run out of the necessary chemicals so reduced it to testing on the basis of clinical need. Now they're expanding testing again and although test results are divided into three (of four) so-called pillars, which does help, w ...[text shortened]... by the Office of National Statistics - the former is quicker and the latter has a fortnight's delay.
Unless I'm misunderstanding, that's basically probable's and confirmed. The CDC literally just started showing probable's on the 23rd! Why should there not be total transparency in the data set? I don't care if they are added together in the report, but delineate what is being added if there is a relevant delineation to be made. That's my complaint about what we've had, and are continue to have on sites like "Worldometers"... It seems like you are agreeing.
27 Apr 20
@joe-shmo saidExcept that there has never been a prior instance where causes of death in an epidemic were broken out into "Confirmed" - meaning limited to those where a test had been done and "Probables" - meaning where one wasn't but a death determination was made using sound medical judgment's evaluation of all relevant information.
"Edit: I'm referring to cases here rather than deaths. There are two counts in the UK for deaths, hospitalised deaths of test confirmed patients as reported by Public Health England and all deaths where covid-19 was on the death certificate as reported by the Office of National Statistics - the former is quicker and the latter has a fortnight's delay."
Unless I'm misunder ...[text shortened]... re continue to have on sites like "Worldometers"... It seems like you are agreeing. Maybe I'm wrong.
Limiting public death reports to "Confirmed" using such a narrow definition is akin to deliberate undercounting which ignores prior practice and sound medical judgment.
27 Apr 20
@eladar saidMaybe they should start removing from the death toll deaths caused by Trump's inaction.
The state removed probable cases from its revised tally of the death toll as it refined its reporting of data. Total deaths on Thursday were listed by the state at 1,421 deaths, down from the 1,622 deaths reported Wednesday.
https://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/special/coronavirus/after-revision-franklin-county-covid-death-count-drops-from-10-to-1/article_5d54b564-bc86-5231 ...[text shortened]... ers are too high. My wife alerted me to this while reading Facebook, so I googled it and found this.
This will all go away.
This pandemic is a democratic hoax.
I have a hunch.😆