Damned if we do...

Originally posted by The Snapper
It's maybe some parts of the US who are whining because they just cannot accept any form of criticism whatsoever of the precious US foreign policy.

The reason Europe is asking for better leadership from Obama is precisely because the US doesn't mind its own business in world affairs.

It is reasonable for those other powers involved in Afghanistan t ership on to someone who actually knows what he is doing.

Nothing unreasonable about that.

LOL: The US can't take criticism? Who comes under more criticism than the US (other than Israel)?

===The reason Europe is asking for better leadership from Obama is precisely because the US doesn't mind its own business in world affairs.===

Catch-22

Originally posted by Palynka
How is that relevant? Nobody is asking Obama for more interventions. They're asking him to finish the mess they started and for which they requested help from their Nato allies.

Maybe Germany or England can take over leadership for once and see how they enjoy being the leader and spending the lion's share of the resources only to come under endless criticism regardless of the results.

Originally posted by sh76
LOL: The US can't take criticism? Who comes under more criticism than the US (other than Israel)?

===The reason Europe is asking for better leadership from Obama is precisely because the US doesn't mind its own business in world affairs.===

Catch-22

So, you can't take it then, that's a shame.

And I was unaware that it was England and Germany that got you into the mess you're in.

Originally posted by The Snapper
So, you can't take it then, that's a shame.

Meaningless and baseless taunt. I don't run US foreign policy. You want to criticize US foreign policy? Go ahead. I do it too sometimes. The difference is that I'm fair about it.

Originally posted by sh76
Meaningless and baseless taunt. I don't run US foreign policy. You want to criticize US foreign policy? Go ahead. I do it too sometimes. The difference is that I'm fair about it.

It's not meaningless and baseless, you obviously can't take any criticism directed at US foreign policy.
And it was not intended as a taunt, I honestly believe that it is a shame that to a whole bunch of Americans, the US can do no wrong abroad. It is this attitude which has gotten the US into the hole it is in.

Originally posted by sh76
Maybe Germany or England can take over leadership for once and see how they enjoy being the leader and spending the lion's share of the resources only to come under endless criticism regardless of the results.

Deal. When do we do this? If they decide to pull out immediately, I imagine you (not being a hypocrite) wouldn't whine. Correct?

Originally posted by sh76
Maybe Germany or England can take over leadership for once and see how they enjoy being the leader and spending the lion's share of the resources only to come under endless criticism regardless of the results.

no, they don't have the balls.

and apparently, nor does the US.

Originally posted by Palynka
Deal. When do we do this? If they decide to pull out immediately, I imagine you (not being a hypocrite) wouldn't whine. Correct?

Absolutely correct. I have said recently that I'm all for an Afghanistan pull out (at least of the ground troops).

Edit: Of course, last time we really left World affairs to the Europeans was after WWI. That worked out great; didn't it?

Originally posted by The Snapper
It's not meaningless and baseless, you obviously can't take any criticism directed at US foreign policy.
And it was not intended as a taunt, I honestly believe that it is a shame that to a whole bunch of Americans, the US can do no wrong abroad. It is this attitude which has gotten the US into the hole it is in.

The US can and sometimes does wrong abroad. I have no trouble admitting it. The Afghanistan policy has been a mess, the WMD "intelligence" was a joke and we should have crushed Germany when we had the chance and not enacted the sissy Marshall plan. (Okay; the last one was a joke.)

However, the US does plenty right abroad too and maybe some non-Americans can admit to that every once in a while.

Originally posted by sh76
Absolutely correct. I have said recently that I'm all for an Afghanistan pull out (at least of the ground troops).

If only we were in charge... 🙂

Originally posted by sh76
The US can and sometimes does wrong abroad. I have no trouble admitting it. The Afghanistan policy has been a mess, the WMD "intelligence" was a joke and we should have crushed Germany when we had the chance and not enacted the sissy Marshall plan. (Okay; the last one was a joke.)

However, the US does plenty right abroad too and maybe some non-Americans can admit to that every once in a while.

I would agree with you there and I do admit to it when it is justified (and have done in previous threads).

Originally posted by sh76
The US can and sometimes does wrong abroad. I have no trouble admitting it. The Afghanistan policy has been a mess, the WMD "intelligence" was a joke and we should have crushed Germany when we had the chance and not enacted the sissy Marshall plan. (Okay; the last one was a joke.)

However, the US does plenty right abroad too and maybe some non-Americans can admit to that every once in a while.

The US can and sometimes does wrong abroad. I have no trouble admitting it

you must be the first conservative american to say that in the forums.