Originally posted by der schwarze Ritter13 trillion in 40 years to help people. Hmmm... how much have we spent on weapons and wars?
For leftists like PINK, it's all about feelings: How does this make me feel? It's never about results. Since the Democrat-sponsored Great Society programs began in the 1960s, the American people have throw over $13 trillion towards the poor and we're the worse for it. Still, being poor in America beats the hell out of being poor anywhere else. I& ...[text shortened]... ith all the millions she earned from her inane pop song “Get the Party Started”?
Originally posted by MerkViet Nam, Grenada, Panama, Gulf War and the War in Iraq. Hmmm... those students in Grenada were save from those ruffian Cubans and Noriega was rocked out. I can see how those folks were really helped. Yep sounds like that was money well spent.
Probably a lot more. In fairness though, a couple of those wars helped a lot more people then our social programs ever could.
Wow I really though that is would be hard to find a anti bush person amongst all the celebreties.
She is just one of the thousands of people who jumped on the anti bush band-wagon.
All they see is dollar signs, they have no real idea about how anything works, all they know is that if you say something against Bush you're definatly going to get your name out and people are going to start to remember you reguardless of you having no tallent. Its not a political thing to them politics is more of a fashion accessory to be take off or changed with the over all sencus of the masses.
Its not just the left look at all the country music stars who leeched off of sept 11th, heck Tobbie Kieth made a carrier off the needles death of thousands and that Alan Jackson guy and countless other did the same thing.
Examples include the dixie chicks, Danny devito, green day, michael moore, and pink they are all paracites who feast on the anti-bush movement and reguardless of politics they know where the money will come from.
Really if they saw the kind of market in say punching dolphins in the face and sticking corks up their blow holes thats what they would be doing right now.
Its not a question of morals, or conviction, its all about a payday for them and your a fool to think other wise if you do.
Oh and one more thing if you would raise minmum wage what difference would it make so you make 7 dollars and hour instead of 5 all that means is instead of paying a dollar for bread you'll now be paying 1.40 I mean do you really think companies will stand to take a loss for to long? No they will just jack up the prices to compicate for their loss. Or if not they will most likely beforced into laying off workers.
And also with minumum wage it might sound difficult for a person like pink to understand how to live on minumum wage you know while living in her mansion. In my state themin wage is 5.15 I think which basically comes to 260 a week now I'd say they take about 10- 15 % for a person of that low of incomes wage so say is 15% that would be 39 dollars taken out that leaves you with 221 dollars a week so in a month you'd make $884.00 Now you can live off of 884.a month sure you might not be living pretty in a manson with a sumer home in Napa Valley but you can live off of it. And minumu wage all that means is you are the bottom ranking person in the job field there really you could almost be replaced by a monkey if they were just a little smarter. Now I hear all these politically left (or fashionable left people such as pink) throwing these quick fix solutions that will damn us down the road like " lets raise the minimum wage to 30 dollars an hour, um that will solve everything." "Um? we should give everyone health care, and we should give them welfare, and nationalize health care, or nationalize all this other crap that is nothing more."
You know what liberal douche's of America if you going to waste my money at least, at very least try to invest it so eventually some of these people can do stuff for them selves. How about for raising the wages hows, Now I hate nationalization I hate it some much but if your going to screw me how about nationalizing Education instead of just giving them money.
Like they say if you give a man a fish he'll eat for a day but if you teach a man to fish he won't be a starving R-tart wanting all my damned fish.
Originally posted by CliffLandinYou missed the two wars I was talking about when I said a couple. And theres probably some Kuwaitis that would disagree with your opinion of the first Gulf War.
Viet Nam, Grenada, Panama, Gulf War and the War in Iraq. Hmmm... those students in Grenada were save from those ruffian Cubans and Noriega was rocked out. I can see how those folks were really helped. Yep sounds like that was money well spent.
Don't even start. I'm not about to get involved with the defend every American military action game.
Originally posted by CliffLandinI did the first four. What do you mean? Oh I guess you read it in a book right? You know my stance on Nam from my previous posts, The students were rescued in Grenada, Noriega was assulting soldiers and their families who were stationed there for years or didn't you read that part? I'm sure the Kuwaiti's appreciated my efforts there in 91. Didn't make this war though (too old) so I can't comment on it but I'm sure my four sons and six nephews could though. Is that all you can do but write snide little comments on subjects you apparantly don't know a thing about? I wouldn't hold some of the history writers too accountable because I have read books from some so-called experts and they didn't have the dates right much less the locations correct.
Viet Nam, Grenada, Panama, Gulf War and the War in Iraq. Hmmm... those students in Grenada were save from those ruffian Cubans and Noriega was rocked out. I can see how those folks were really helped. Yep sounds like that was money well spent.
Originally posted by slimjimSo, are you saying that the only people who know about anything are those that participate in them?
I did the first four. What do you mean? Oh I guess you read it in a book right? You know my stance on Nam from my previous posts, The students were rescued in Grenada, Noriega was assulting soldiers and their families who were stationed there for years or didn't you read that part? I'm sure the Kuwaiti's appreciated my efforts there in 91. Didn't make this w ...[text shortened]... so-called experts and they didn't have the dates right much less the locations correct.
Usually, those are the ones that know the least about them. Oh, yes, they do know of the small part in which they played, but until they look at them from afar they really fail to see the larger picture.
How much was spent in Grenada? How much was spent in Panama? These expenditures were justified, why, oh sage one?
Once again, you get your back up because people have a different opinion than you do. Your profession was killing, so you justify it vociferously. Some of us see the senseless waste of life as a prelude to more senseless waste of life.
So, are you saying that there is nothing to be learned from history? I am sure that you have heard the phrase, "those that do no learn from history are destined to repeat it" Your boy W. may have heard it, but like most things, he didn't understand it.
13 trillion is a drop in the bucket compared to what the military has spent in the last 40 years and in that time the conditions in America have become almost intolerable in most US cities. You think spending a couple of billions of dollars was justified in going after Manuel Noriega? that's a joke and you know it. And going into Grenada? At least in Haiti and in the Gulf War there was actually a humanitarian effort.
You bitch about the Dixie Chicks because they said something in a foreign country, but that is just an excuse. You can't handle it when one has an opinion that differs from yours or our jackass president. For a grown man you have some very childish ways.
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Originally posted by MerkAgreed. Crap like this has been written over and over again for 50 years now. Its easy to make words rhyme, not so easy to solve real problems.
Sounds typical. Criminals and the homeless always get martyred when we have a republican president. And we certainly can't forget about the children.
There isn't one single ounce of originality in those lyrics.
Originally posted by CliffLandinI get it. You know more about those places from a book than I do by being there. I love it when you arm-chair commandos come up with that horse crap analogy. Are you really that stupid? I don't know what it cost in Grenada. I suppose we were supposed to allow the Noriega thugs to continue abusing our soldiers stationed there also right. I guess if you were in charge you would allow that to happen correct? Maybe you should change your name to Clifflanding on my head with your asisnine comments. As for the Dixie Chicks all I said was that they should have kept their mouths shut knowing they might upset their fan base. Them bitching now about lost revenue is rather idiotic I think. I didn't like what they said and I chose not to give them any of my money. Just like I don't give money to the Democratic Party because I dis-agree with them
So, are you saying that the only people who know about anything are those that participate in them?
Usually, those are the ones that know the least about them. Oh, yes, they do know of the small part in which they played, but until they look at them from afar they really fail to see the larger picture.
How much was spent in Grenada? How much was sp ...[text shortened]... fers from yours or our jackass president. For a grown man you have some very childish ways.
Originally posted by techsouthI didn't see much of that on skid row the times I drove by there.
With all due respect, I've lived in Africa. I have friends who would literally cry tears of joy if they could come to America and start poor here.
Poor people here generally have Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and many other luxaries.