04 Aug 23
@metal-brain saidOur contemporaries here do not realize that the whole issue is the First Amendment. SCOTUS has it for lunch every day. Just that confirms, Trump will sail.
Democrats are trying to outlaw free speech, especially political speech. The most important speech of all. They want it to be illegal.
They think they have to destroy democracy to save it. Are they stupid?
04 Aug 23
@AverageJoe1
I am kind of blown away by all of this. Saying the words "fight like hell" is reason to imprison people now. Even though Biden used the same words figuratively. It is like I am in the twilight zone.
They want to make political speech illegal and they are not even smart enough to realize they are doing it to themselves as well as Trump. If you cannot speak out against election fraud you have a dictatorship. And these are the the same people who think they are fighting that. Sonhouse says Trump wants to be a dictator so he wants to protect election fraud by making speech about it illegal. It is as if he thinks only Trump will be unable to speak out against election fraud.
Once the precedent is set nobody can complain about election rigging. That is what every dictator wannabe has wet dreams about. They want to imprison anyone who speaks of election rigging. When the next time it is a democrat they will kick themselves in the ass for it. It will never stop with a republican and they are too busy following the party line to realize that.
They are blind followers who cannot think past their hatred for Trump.
04 Aug 23
@metal-brain saidJesus, you really are a parrot for any right wing BS thrown out there, aren't you?
Democrats are trying to outlaw free speech, especially political speech. The most important speech of all. They want it to be illegal.
They think they have to destroy democracy to save it. Are they stupid?
@metal-brain saidYou're lying as usual. Trump isn't being charged for his lies about election fraud, but for trying to overturn an election by illegal means.
@AverageJoe1
I am kind of blown away by all of this. Saying the words "fight like hell" is reason to imprison people now. Even though Biden used the same words figuratively. It is like I am in the twilight zone.
They want to make political speech illegal and they are not even smart enough to realize they are doing it to themselves as well as Trump. If you cannot spea ...[text shortened]... arty line to realize that.
They are blind followers who cannot think past their hatred for Trump.
Read the indictment rather than believing whatever right wing media tells you for a change. Here it is (among many other places on the web): https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-indictment-read-charges-january-6-election-case-2023-7
@no1marauder saidI already brought up the so called fake electors. JFK did that in 1960 and no charges were filed. That is not illegal. Go fish.
You're lying as usual. Trump isn't being charged for his lies about election fraud, but for trying to overturn an election by illegal means.
Read the indictment rather than believing whatever right wing media tells you for a change. Here it is (among many other places on the web): https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-indictment-read-charges-january-6-election-case-2023-7
04 Aug 23
@no1marauder saidThe integrity of the US constitution is right wing BS?
Jesus, you really are a parrot for any right wing BS thrown out there, aren't you?
Once again, what did Trump do that was illegal?
@metal-brain saidExcept you left out the fact that by the time Congress met to certify the election, a judge ordered recount had already been conducted and showed Kennedy the winner in Hawaii. " On December 27, Circuit Judge Ronald B. Jamieson ruled that the presidential election in Hawaii was won by President-elect Kennedy by a 115 vote margin."
I already brought up the so called fake electors. JFK did that in 1960 and no charges were filed. That is not illegal. Go fish.
http://www.leinsdorf.com/how_kennedy_won_hawaii.htm
So yet another false "whataboutism" on your part.
04 Aug 23
@metal-brain saidAs a political leader, he constantly tried to undermine the democratic process by repeatedly attempting to overturn the election result.
The integrity of the US constitution is right wing BS?
Once again, what did Trump do that was illegal?
He’s on tape putting pressure on people overturn election counts.
The man is a narcissist fukk-wad.
That alone should have him locked up and raped repeatedly in the showers.
But, as Nr.1 said: read the indictment (or charges, in normal English). And stop trying to form opinions based on what your right-wing media is pumping you full of.
In fact, in your case, just stop trying to form opinions. Full stop.
@metal-brain saidConspired to overturn an election he knew he lost by illegal means.
The integrity of the US constitution is right wing BS?
Once again, what did Trump do that was illegal?
The fake elector scheme was part of it, so was pressuring the DOJ to open election fraud investigations when they had already told him there was no basis to do so, so was trying to get the Georgia Secretary of State to "find" him enough votes to change the result in that State and many other acts all spelled out in the indictment (which you refuse to read).
04 Aug 23
@no1marauder saidWhy do you think the result of the election matters?
Except you left out the fact that by the time Congress met to certify the election, a judge ordered recount had already been conducted and showed Kennedy the winner in Hawaii. " On December 27, Circuit Judge Ronald B. Jamieson ruled that the presidential election in Hawaii was won by President-elect Kennedy by a 115 vote margin."
http://www.leinsdorf.com/how_kennedy_won_hawaii.htm
So yet another false "whataboutism" on your part.
They were not charged with a crime because it is not illegal, but Dana Nessel wants to make it illegal ignoring decades of precedent.
@no1marauder saidHow do you know he knew he lost? Did you read his mind?
Conspired to overturn an election he knew he lost by illegal means.
The fake elector scheme was part of it, so was pressuring the DOJ to open election fraud investigations when they had already told him there was no basis to do so, so was trying to get the Georgia Secretary of State to "find" him enough votes to change the result in that State and many other acts all spelled out in the indictment (which you refuse to read).
So you want him imprisoned for thought crimes? LOL!
You know Crowdstrike had no evidence Russia hacked the DNC too. Why won't you admit it?
The DOJ does not have the right to prohibit election fraud investigations based on opinions. Finding votes that were not counted is not illegal either. Recounts do that all of the time. How about you find an actual law Trump broke.
04 Aug 23
@metal-brain saidThere is no precedent allowing someone to file fake elector certificates when they know their electors lost.
Why do you think the result of the election matters?
They were not charged with a crime because it is not illegal, but Dana Nessel wants to make it illegal ignoring decades of precedent.
That's what we call "fraud".
@metal-brain saidBy his words and actions, not his thoughts. They demonstrate what we lawyers call "intent".
How do you know he knew he lost? Did you read his mind?
So you want him imprisoned for thought crimes? LOL!
You know Crowdstrike had no evidence Russia hacked the DNC too. Why won't you admit it?
The DOJ does not have the right to prohibit election fraud investigations based on opinions. Finding votes that were not counted is not illegal either. Recounts do that all of the time. How about you find an actual law Trump broke.
Stop with Crowdstrike; you've lied about that on this board at least a hundred times. They never said what you claim and you know it and don't bother posting a link to the same article you have done a hundred times and forcing me to post a link to Crowdstrike's refutation and the fact that the Mueller report even has the exact name of the file of DNC e-mails sent by the Russian military to Wikileaks. We've covered this ground many times and you will never stop lying about it.
Trump didn't ask for a recount from the Georgia Secretary of State nor did he request real investigations (as you would know if you actually read the indictment which you refuse to do). Your characterizations are typical right wing BS from someone who won't even look at the evidence but is simply parroting what his crank conspiracy sites tell him.
It and you are pathetic.
04 Aug 23
@no1marauder saidSo if you know they won it is perfectly legal but if you are wrong you go to prison?
There is no precedent allowing someone to file fake elector certificates when they know their electors lost.
That's what we call "fraud".
How do you know your electors lost? Now you want opinion crimes to prevent the questioning of election results. What is wrong with you?