14 Aug 06
Originally posted by dottewellYou don't have to protect your fellow debaters, Dottewell. We are all grown-ups and can think for ourselves ....... hopefully ......
If they really want to trawl the internet for such bile (or even this particular bile), they can find it in a flash.
I hope they don't.
14 Aug 06
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Originally posted by ivanhoeIt's intellectually dishonest anyway. It's passing off - taking whatever serves your purposes and suggesting it is somehow representative or significant, with no attempt to clarify or assess, honestly, from whence it came.
Dottewell: "I'm not giving a link to the kind of rubbish I just posted."
Dottewell: "........ It's irresponsible and intellectually dishonest"
..... only if you do not give your fellow debaters the chance to check your sources.
For example, you know full well you are passing off comment from a site with a clear agenda as the "independent, Lebanese" view of Lebanon.
You still haven't mentioned what facts your post in the other thread was supposed to have brought to light that we did not already know (and that are supported by evidence).
It's irresponsible because not everyone can be bothered to check up on your casual assertions, or clarify that you are using certain words - "Lebanese", "independent" - to mean something other than what most people assume they mean. But you know that, too.
14 Aug 06
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Originally posted by ivanhoeOkay, put it this way. I don't want to give the links, because I judge these sources to be unrepresentative, extremist, and unreliable because of their agenda.
You don't have to protect your fellow debaters, Dottewell. We are all grown-ups and can think for ourselves ....... hopefully ......
I don't want to unwittingly give the impression, for example, that most Zionists think that civilian casualties in Lebanon are probably muslim extremists, or that most Zionists think all Muslims should be killed. Because they don't think like that.
I see trying to avoid encouraging hatred as a kind of duty on my part, Ivanhoe.
14 Aug 06
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Originally posted by dottewellDottewell: "I see trying to avoid encouraging hatred as a kind of duty on my part, Ivanhoe."
Okay, put it this way. I don't want to give the links, because I judge these sources to be unrepresentative, extremist, and unreliable because of their agenda.
I don't want to unwittingly give the impression, for example, that most Zionists think that civilian casualties in Lebanon are probably muslim extremists, or that most Zionists think all Muslims like that.
I see trying to avoid encouraging hatred as a kind of duty on my part, Ivanhoe.
I see. Are your vinegar-like personal attacks and your open or veiled below the belt accusations in my direction a part of this mission ?
14 Aug 06
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Originally posted by ivanhoeI attack you only because I would expect someone of your intelligence and morality to feel the same. And there's nothing veiled about it.
[b]Dottewell: "I see trying to avoid encouraging hatred as a kind of duty on my part, Ivanhoe."
I see. Are your vinegar-like personal attacks and your open or veiled below the belt accusations in my direction a part of this mission ?[/b]
15 Aug 06
Did he write that article in English? Seems a bit odd sending the leader of Hizbollah a letter in English and using such colourful prose.
I don't understand what's wrong with the pictures. It shows people who are upset with the Israeli bombing of Lebanon. What would you expect them to have on their banners?
There are plenty of people waving banners with all kinds of nasty things written on them all over the world. This is a weak thread.
15 Aug 06
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Originally posted by WheelySandMonkey describes himself as "extremely cynical, snarky, pro-US, secular, libertarian, disgruntled sandmonkey." To Ivanhoe this equates to "independent and enlightened" esp. when he agrees with Ivanhoe.
Did he write that article in English? Seems a bit odd sending the leader of Hizbollah a letter in English and using such colourful prose.
I don't understand what's wrong with the pictures. It shows people who are upset with the Israeli bombing of Lebanon. What would you expect them to have on their banners?
There are plenty of people waving banners with all kinds of nasty things written on them all over the world. This is a weak thread.
There are a few banners in the photographs that could fairly be characterized as "anti-Semitic". These are the opinions of a small minority in the crowd. Certainly the main sponsors of the demonstration don't share this viewpoint though Ivanhoe thinks that having security people in "Muslim garb" equates to anti-Semitism apparently.
15 Aug 06
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The United states has a long term plan.
One of the first steps is to sieze control of the middle east. They are waging war there and they will win. End of story.
edit: I should say "the current step is" this began at the end of the second world war, and used to be called "the cold war" Now it's just called "the plan"