29 Jan 09
Originally posted by bill718Well historical myopia is easy when you are biased to begin with. In 2000 when Bush took office we had just gone through the dotcom meltdown, and were headed into a steep recession. Nine months into his term we experienced the most deadly terrorist attack on American soil.
President Obama has inherited a massive amount of problems from Bush and Co. Let's see how things are in 10-12 months. These economic, and security problems won't go away overnight. In the meantime, don't overanaylize Obama. 😏
From that point on, objective viewers would have to give Bush's performance high marks. No more attacks, and domestic prosperity and a growing economy.
During his entire two terms, every decision and policy was opposed on a partisan basis, and the media piled on mercilessly.
Now you're telling me that the new guy ought to get a pass on everything. We ought not think about whether spending a trillion on pork is good or not? Puleeze???
01 Feb 09
Originally posted by telerionI hope everything works out. That doesn't mean anyone ought to play Ostrich.
He should be subject to criticism from day one.
That said it is pretty stupid to proclaim that he's a failure when he's hasn't even been in office for 2 weeks yet.
Analyzing his policies is not proclaiming him a failure. It is simply due diligence.
01 Feb 09
Originally posted by normbenignI agree, but more than handful of sore people are going beyond analyzing policies and slipping into the ridiculous zone. Again I'm all for criticizing his policies and appointments, but let's allow the sun to come up a bit before we decide the sky is falling.
I hope everything works out. That doesn't mean anyone ought to play Ostrich.
Analyzing his policies is not proclaiming him a failure. It is simply due diligence.
01 Feb 09
Originally posted by telerionThe good thing is that the American system of government and economics doesn't give any President too much power.
I agree, but more than handful of sore people are going beyond analyzing policies and slipping into the ridiculous zone. Again I'm all for criticizing his policies and appointments, but let's allow the sun to come up a bit before we decide the sky is falling.
It looks like some common sense will prevail, and the pork laden stimulus package may be trimmed both by R opposition and growing opposition among conservative Ds. The thing that came out of the H o R didn't resemble what Obama asked for.
I wonder if he'll have the courage to veto a junk bill, produced by his own party? I would be seriously impressed by that. It is something that almost no President has had the nerve to do.
01 Feb 09
Originally posted by normbenignHope I haven't got hold of the wrong end of the stick, but just an interested party from down under NZ I have to ask "High Marks" .. really?
. objective viewers would have to give Bush's performance high marks. No more attacks, and domestic prosperity and a growing economy.
Time Mag says he was the least successful economically since J Edgar Hoover.
The stats aren't great reading. http://www.academycomputerservice.com/economics/charts.htm
As for the attacks.. I think you'll find that they've just been shifted overseas in Iraq alone you've lost over 4000 us citizen and had 31000 officially injured. Over a 1000 (600 odd US) dead in Afghanistan, which isn't turning out to be a great situation as the Taliban getting stronger each day.
Whether I'm right or wrong I'm pretty sure that at least globally ppl expect a great deal of healing under your new regime.. a restoration to common sense and for the Texan testosterone to be toned down in the US's foreign policy.
I do hope for a strong US Lead recovery because that's good for us all. Europe is currently returning to old style protectionism which could crucify free trade. I hope Obama restarts US's domestic manufacturing industry creating jobs at home in the creation of quality non-Asian made goods for the export market. Including decent economical cars, clothes that last and maybe technology that doesn't need an upgrade every ten seconds. Go for it.
Way way way to early to analyse Obama yet but good luck indeed.
01 Feb 09
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Originally posted by normbenignYes there is only so much a Pres can do on both of those fronts. Of course the Reps are gonna "work out pork" from the bill. From a political standpoint, they've gotta throw out just enough opposition so as not too seem divisive but so that eventually they can say "I told you so" when it comes election time.
The good thing is that the American system of government and economics doesn't give any President too much power.
It looks like some common sense will prevail, and the pork laden stimulus package may be trimmed both by R opposition and growing opposition among conservative Ds. The thing that came out of the H o R didn't resemble what Obama asked for. ...[text shortened]... riously impressed by that. It is something that almost no President has had the nerve to do.