Dorner redux, and Tamerlan parallel?

Originally posted by no1marauder
"So?" Your whole theory was that this dangerous, murderous felon was completely incapacitated and that therefore the force used against him was wholly unjustified. But someone who can toss a smoke grenade can also shoot a gun. So this FACT demolishes the main point of your pathetic argument.

That's "So!".

But he didn't shoot for two hours, unless you have evidence to the contrary...

The police aren't allowed to execute dangerous, murderous felons just because it is easier for them. The feds and Boston police, for example, showed great restraint in taking Dzhokhar in alive notwithstanding the fact that he had shot and threw bombs at them.

Originally posted by MoneyManMike
But he didn't shoot for two hours, unless you have evidence to the contrary...

The police aren't allowed to execute dangerous, murderous felons just because it is easier for them. The feds and Boston police, for example, showed great restraint in taking Dzhokhar in alive notwithstanding the fact that he had shot and threw bombs at them.

Did they execute Dorner? No. Why do you keep implying they did? Who knows?

Your theory was demolished by the transcripts; they didn't even deploy the "incendiary" tear gas until after Dorner was throwing smoke grenades AFTER he had already killed a deputy that same day. So he was NOT incapacitated; he was extremely dangerous and showed every indication that he would resist. The actions of the sheriff were surely justified under the circumstances; the main difference between the two incidents is that Dzhokhar decided to surrender rather than take his own life.

Originally posted by no1marauder
"So?" Your whole theory was that this dangerous, murderous felon was completely incapacitated and that therefore the force used against him was wholly unjustified. But someone who can toss a smoke grenade can also shoot a gun. So this FACT demolishes the main point of your pathetic argument.

That's "So!".

You said he was dead, had killed himself. You can't shoot or throw grenades after a self inflicted gunshot wound to the head. Unless you are the mob guy in Analyze That, who tragically died by shooting himself in the back 4 times, and jumping off a balcony.

Originally posted by normbenign
You said he was dead, had killed himself. You can't shoot or throw grenades after a self inflicted gunshot wound to the head. Unless you are the mob guy in Analyze That, who tragically died by shooting himself in the back 4 times, and jumping off a balcony.

You are completely illiterate; perhaps you could point out the post where I claimed that Dorner threw smoke grenades after he was dead?

Thanks.

Originally posted by no1marauder
You are completely illiterate; perhaps you could point out the post where I claimed that Dorner threw smoke grenades after he was dead?

Thanks.

Your argument, silly, was that Dorner killed himself. That was in this thread, just a few posts ago. If he was dead, then burning him out accidentally or intentionally was not required.

Originally posted by normbenign
Your argument, silly, was that Dorner killed himself. That was in this thread, just a few posts ago. If he was dead, then burning him out accidentally or intentionally was not required.

He did kill himself.

He did so AFTER the "incendiary" tear gas was deployed.

Got it?

Originally posted by no1marauder
He did kill himself.

He did so AFTER the "incendiary" tear gas was deployed.

Got it?

And you know that how?

Originally posted by no1marauder
Did they execute Dorner? No. Why do you keep implying they did? Who knows?

Your theory was demolished by the transcripts; they didn't even deploy the "incendiary" tear gas until after Dorner was throwing smoke grenades AFTER he had already killed a deputy that same day. So he was NOT incapacitated; he was extremely dangerous and showed ev ...[text shortened]... etween the two incidents is that Dzhokhar decided to surrender rather than take his own life.

The command called in the fire department about 2 hours before the cabin caught on fire. It seems to me that law enforcement was planning to use the burners long before Dorner allegedly threw smoke grenades at them. Oh, and how does a suspect throwing smoke grenades at the police justify them using highly flammable tear gas cannisters against him? That seems disproportionate and excessive to me.

Originally posted by normbenign
And you know that how?

A single gunshot was heard minutes after the fire had started. The autopsy showed a gunshot wound to the head.

Originally posted by MoneyManMike
A single gunshot was heard minutes after the fire had started. The autopsy showed a gunshot wound to the head.

Not much of a choice at that point in time. Die of smoke inhalation, or shoot self.

Originally posted by normbenign
Not much of a choice at that point in time. Die of smoke inhalation, or shoot self.

He could have surrendered himself to the police.

Originally posted by normbenign
Not much of a choice at that point in time. Die of smoke inhalation, or shoot self.

Yes, but those facts are irrelevant to No1, internet debater extraordinaire.

Originally posted by normbenign
Not much of a choice at that point in time. Die of smoke inhalation, or shoot self.

Actually, the gunfight between Watertown PD and the two brothers the night before was more analogous to Dorner's firefights with the fish and game agents he killed, and the standoff at the cabin to the standoff at the boat.

Originally posted by FMF
He could have surrendered himself to the police.

That is dubious by the time a fire was started, and the cabin was full of toxic CS gas, as well as flames and smoke.

Originally posted by MoneyManMike
The command called in the fire department about 2 hours before the cabin caught on fire. It seems to me that law enforcement was planning to use the burners long before Dorner allegedly threw smoke grenades at them. Oh, and how does a suspect throwing smoke grenades at the police justify them using highly flammable tear gas cannisters against him? That seems disproportionate and excessive to me.

They used tear gas that had less of a chance of fire (thus disproving your hypothesis) shortly before Dorner tossed smoke grenades to conceal his position. Using the "incendiary" tear gas was justified under all the circumstances; the fact that Dorner was still capable of resistance and perfectly willing to resist demolishes your "incapacitated" theory. Using tear gas against someone who has killed several people, including a deputy that same day, is "disproportionate" only to a diseased mind.