drugs in sport

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
So if Landis didn't cheat how you explain a test showing very high levels of testosterone and a second test showing the presence of testosterone that was not produced by Landis's body?

he could have high testosterone levels without cheating - maybe someone gave it to him in a drink, the test is wrong or the tour de france people didn't want another american winning their race so fixed the test.

Originally posted by trevor33
he could have high testosterone levels without cheating - maybe someone gave it to him in a drink, the test is wrong or the tour de france people didn't want another american winning their race so fixed the test.

The second test showed that his body contained testosterone that his body didn't generate so a performance enhancer has been taken at some point. As to how it got there, that's for Landis to argue, but the burden of proof has to lie with him proving that he didn't take it intentionally (and even then he would still lose the Tour de France title). And as for bias, Landis's positive test came up in a routine series of tests, all riders take the tests, except they come up clean. Landis didn't. And I'd be very surprised if the lab would even have been able to tell you whose sample was whose (it's routine to have one person who has a numbered list and samples are only known as the numbers).

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
The second test showed that his body contained testosterone that his body didn't generate so a performance enhancer has been taken at some point. As to how it got there, that's for Landis to argue, but the burden of proof has to lie with him proving that he didn't take it intentionally (and even then he would still lose the Tour de France title). And as fo ne to have one person who has a numbered list and samples are only known as the numbers).

it wasn't a random test, every stage winner gets a drug test about an hour after the race. landis got a positive result with double the normal amount of testosterone. i really can't see him being that stupid, knowing he's going to be tested after winning the stage, it doesn't make any since.

Originally posted by trevor33
maybe someone gave it to him in a drink.

What kind of drink contains 11x the normal amount of testosterone contained in the body of an adult male?

On second thoughts, don't answer that.

Originally posted by dottewell
What kind of drink contains 11x the normal amount of testosterone contained in the body of an adult male?

On second thoughts, don't answer that.

Although the correct answer would have been: "A shandy of some kind?"

Originally posted by trevor33
it wasn't a random test, every stage winner gets a drug test about an hour after the race. landis got a positive result with double the normal amount of testosterone. i really can't see him being that stupid, knowing he's going to be tested after winning the stage, it doesn't make any since.

So the test was carried out as per normal. He wasn't singled out and tested for the crime of being American. So where does the bias come into it?

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
So the test was carried out as per normal. He wasn't singled out and tested for the crime of being American. So where does the bias come into it?

Because the world is supposed to let Americans get away with it, of course! Not like those filthy Europeans, south Americans, etc. etc. etc.

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
So the test was carried out as per normal. He wasn't singled out and tested for the crime of being American. So where does the bias come into it?

That's an easy one. In trevor33's head.

Originally posted by trevor33
- maybe someone gave it to him in a drink,

All athletes are responsible for whatever they consume, this is not a valid excuse Trevor!!!!

Originally posted by trevor33
if you look back at his career and how it started, the guy’s a worker not a cheater.

O.K Trev,

Give us a low down on the Landis career to date, what notable achivements has he in past Tours De France and has he ever been in contention for a win, taking out Ullrich and Armstrong....