Eight criminal referrals...

@mghrn55 said
World wide businessman is right !!
And that includes Russia. 😛

yes...now explain what is wrong with that. Your politicians are running a boo game on you and you are falling for it. Now explain what is wrong with an American doing business with Russia.

@mott-the-hoople said
yes...now explain what is wrong with that. Your politicians are running a boo game on you and you are falling for it. Now explain what is wrong with an American doing business with Russia.

A lot is wrong with it if it represents a conflict of interest.

@handyandy said
A lot is wrong with it if it represents a conflict of interest.

"if"

@mott-the-hoople said
"if"

Would you consider a Presidential nominee seeking a business deal worth possibly hundreds of millions of dollars to him in a country under economic sanctions who then pushes his party to put a plank in its platform to end sanctions, as having a "conflict of interest"?

@no1marauder said
Would you consider a Presidential nominee seeking a business deal worth possibly hundreds of millions of dollars to him in a country under economic sanctions who then pushes his party to put a plank in its platform to end sanctions, as having a "conflict of interest"?

You're getting ahead of yourself. Biden first needs to become a nominee and then President before the scenario you propose can happen.
By the way, what do you mean by "seeking a deal"? The deals Biden's son was able to secure by traveling over seas with his father have already brought in big bucks for the Biden family.

@lemon-lime said
You're getting ahead of yourself. Biden first needs to become a nominee and then President before the scenario you propose can happen.
By the way, what do you mean by "seeking a deal"? The deals Biden's son was able to secure by traveling over seas with his father have already brought in big bucks for the Biden family.

Do you guys have anything BUT dubious "whataboutism"?

The scenario I described already occurred in 2016.

@no1marauder said
Do you guys have anything BUT dubious "whataboutism"?

The scenario I described already occurred in 2016.

dubious?

Are you implying it never happened?

@no1marauder said
Would you consider a Presidential nominee seeking a business deal worth possibly hundreds of millions of dollars to him in a country under economic sanctions who then pushes his party to put a plank in its platform to end sanctions, as having a "conflict of interest"?

you are referring to the sanctions Obama put in place the very last month of his presidency. Multi million dollar business deals take quite some time to start or stop. You are trying to make something look different than the facts will bear out.

@mott-the-hoople said
you are referring to the sanctions Obama put in place the very last month of his presidency. Multi million dollar business deals take quite some time to start or stop. You are trying to make something look different than the facts will bear out.

No, I am not. There were existing sanctions against Russia long before the last month of Obama's Presidency.

@lemon-lime said
dubious?

Are you implying it never happened?

I'm stating that any comparison between what Biden's son did in dealings with a country not under US economic sanctions is a dubious comparison to what Donald Trump did with a country that was.

@mott-the-hoople said
"if"

Yes, if is enough. Of course the following is subject to legal analysis, but here it is:

Bolded for emphasis.

The presence of a conflict of interest is independent of the occurrence of impropriety. Therefore, a conflict of interest can be discovered and voluntarily defused before any corruption occurs. A conflict of interest exists if the circumstances are reasonably believed (on the basis of past experience and objective evidence) to create a risk that a decision may be unduly influenced by other, secondary interests, and not on whether a particular individual is actually influenced [b]by a secondary interest. (Wikipedia on conflict of interest)

@no1marauder said
I'm stating that any comparison between what Biden's son did in dealings with a country not under US economic sanctions is a dubious comparison to what Donald Trump did with a country that was.

Biden was the Vice President on official U.S. business, acting as a representative of the U.S. government, at the same time his son was tagging along and making private interest (non governmental) deals.

Was Trump the President acting on behalf of the U.S. as a representative of the U.S. government at the time you claim he did something wrong? No, he wasn't.

So you are correct, there is no comparison.

@lemon-lime said
Biden was the Vice President on official U.S. business, acting as a representative of the U.S. government, at the same time his son was tagging along and making private interest (non governmental) deals.

Was Trump the President acting on behalf of the U.S. as a representative of the U.S. government at the time you claim he did something wrong? No, he wasn't.

So you are correct, there is no comparison.

Try to connect these dots:

Russia was illegally attempting to help get Trump elected President while Trump was discussing a business deal in Russia that would make him hundreds of millions of dollars IF US economic sanctions were lifted. And then Trump had the Republican Party platform call for the end of sanctions

No, there isn't any comparison between that and a perfectly legal business deal made by Biden's son.

@no1marauder said
Try to connect these dots:

Russia was illegally attempting to help get Trump elected President while Trump was discussing a business deal in Russia that would make him hundreds of millions of dollars IF US economic sanctions were lifted. And then Trump had the Republican Party platform call for the end of sanctions

No, there isn't any comparison between that and a perfectly legal business deal made by Biden's son.

Russia was illegally attempting to help get Trump elected President

That dot was obliterated, or soon will be when congress gets their grubby little fingers on the Mueller report.

Trump was discussing a business deal in Russia that would make him hundreds of millions of dollars IF US economic sanctions were lifted.

Was discussing a deal, or made a deal? It's not clear from what you said whether he was simply talking or had actually made a deal.

And then Trump had the Republican Party platform call for the end of sanctions

What, so he could swing a deal after becoming President?
That's a great story. You should sit down and write a book. You could become the next Tom Clancy.

No, there isn't any comparison between that and a perfectly legal business deal made by Biden's son.

So what exactly did Trump do that was illegal or unethical? All you have revealed here is Trump had a business related conversation with Soviet businessmen (excuse me, business-persons) before (not after) winning the election. So how exactly did he (or a family member) profit from talking to Soviet businessmenorwomenorwhatever after the election?

@lemon-lime said

Russia was illegally attempting to help get Trump elected President

That dot was obliterated, or soon will be when congress gets their grubby little fingers on the Mueller report.

Trump was discussing a business deal in Russia that would make him hundreds of millions of dollars IF US economic sanctions were lifted.

Was discussing a deal, ...[text shortened]... family member) profit from talking to Soviet businessmenorwomenorwhatever after the election?

Are right wingers STILL insisting that Russia did not attempt to illegally interfere in the election?

Look up this term: Quid Pro Quo. Also consider that the Donald repeatedly lied about his business dealing with the Russians during and after the campaign.