26 Feb 08
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneCommunism can take hold in countries that have been abused by war or bad government. Communism offers stability to people who want stability at any price.
Propaganda? It's been drilled into US children and adults for decades now.
Neo-communists have also adapted to changing times -- they know enough to give a nod to some free-market "talk" rather than extolling the virtues of central control and planned economies that have been shown not to work.
Of course once in power, they can say and do what they like since they never plan to worry about re-election ever again (a la Castro, Chavez).
26 Feb 08
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Originally posted by spruce112358I was speaking as to why it is anathema to so many in the US.
Communism can take hold in countries that have been abused by war or bad government. Communism offers stability to people who want stability at any price.
Neo-communists have also adapted to changing times -- they know enough to give a nod to some free-market "talk" rather than extolling the virtues of central control and planned economies that have ...[text shortened]... t they like since they never plan to worry about re-election ever again (a la Castro, Chavez).
Democracy as it is practiced in the US is an abomination. You can knock democracy just as hard.
26 Feb 08
Originally posted by spruce112358Do you think the Cypriot communist party will refuse to relinquish power if they get voted out?
Communism can take hold in countries that have been abused by war or bad government. Communism offers stability to people who want stability at any price.
Neo-communists have also adapted to changing times -- they know enough to give a nod to some free-market "talk" rather than extolling the virtues of central control and planned economies that have ...[text shortened]... t they like since they never plan to worry about re-election ever again (a la Castro, Chavez).
27 Feb 08
Originally posted by MexicoOf course they will, that's my point. The right wingers on this forum want to say that Cyprus is now a "communist" country, like Stalin is going to pop up and start running the show or something. Their world view is so firmly entrenched that they're simply incapable of reconciling a communist party with democratic institutions. The right wingers have only been trained to argue against Soviet style communism and are incapable of making any distinctions between that and anything else to the left of center.
Don't be ridiculous its a Democratically elected power within a stones throw Europe..... Of course they'll release power if thats what people want..... otherwise there'd be a s###storm....
27 Feb 08
Originally posted by rwingettI have tried several times to get info. on what true communism means for the average citizen, but all i get is philosophical theory. Could you rec a book, possibly a novel, that would show me what a day in the life of a communist citizen would be like? Specific details.
Of course they will, that's my point. The right wingers on this forum want to say that Cyprus is now a "communist" country, like Stalin is going to pop up and start running the show or something. Their world view is so firmly entrenched that they're simply incapable of reconciling a communist party with democratic institutions. The right wingers have only b ...[text shortened]... e incapable of making any distinctions between that and anything else to the left of center.
F. GRANNY.
27 Feb 08
Originally posted by smw6869Your answer underscores my point. We're not talking about communism. We're talking about Western democratic systems and the role communist parties may play in them. But all you're trained to talk about is communism (or your perception of it), so all your comments necessarily devolve into off topic, anti-Soviet hysteria.
I have tried several times to get info. on what true communism means for the average citizen, but all i get is philosophical theory. Could you rec a book, possibly a novel, that would show me what a day in the life of a communist citizen would be like? Specific details.
F. GRANNY.
27 Feb 08
Originally posted by rwingettYou're the one that brought up the idea that right wingers think of communism as Stalanist. If you can explain that it doesn't have to be like that, maybe right wingers wouldn't be so wrong in their perception of communism.
Your answer underscores my point. We're not talking about communism. We're talking about Western democratic systems and the role communist parties may play in them. But all you're trained to talk about is communism (or your perception of it), so all your comments necessarily devolve into off topic, anti-Soviet hysteria.
Again, NO ANSWER! I'm seriously interested in what true communism is. You're the one who went off topic. How was i anti-Soviet when i asked about TRUE communism or what you perceive it to be, or what form of communism may play a role in Western democratic systems?
F.GRANNY.
28 Feb 08
Originally posted by smw6869This thread is about the Cypriot elections, and not about TRUE communism (whatever that is). If you want to blather on about TRUE communism, then I will refuse to oblige you. Please go start your own thread. If you want to talk about Cyprus then do so. Alternatively, you may offer some comment about Euro-communism. This is distinguished from TRUE communism by the fact that such parties have forsaken any revolutionary program. They instead work within a democratic system and presumably seek to ameliorate the worst excesses of capitalism without actually overthrowing it. But I repeat, I absolutely refuse to oblige your rather curious fascination with TRUE communism within the confines of this thread.
You're the one that brought up the idea that right wingers think of communism as Stalanist. If you can explain that it doesn't have to be like that, maybe right wingers wouldn't be so wrong in their perception of communism.
Again, NO ANSWER! I'm seriously interested in what true communism is. You're the one who went off topic. How was i anti-Soviet when ...[text shortened]... o be, or what form of communism may play a role in Western democratic systems?
F.GRANNY.
28 Feb 08
I believe the point he's trying to make is that there can be democratic left wing parties who .... Left wing politics has its roots in communism and usually has strong ties to the working classes and trade unions.... There are several political parties in power who are strongly Red such as Austria and Norway...... and others such as the current UK government who are extremely salmon pink (close to center). And he does have a point if a political party in the US called itself labor/socialist/communist etc. people would freak out...... The bottom line is their still democratically elected parties and are constrained by the various constitutions. The effect of left wing government extends more toward free health care, better wages, lower taxing for those on lower incomes etc etc....
28 Feb 08
Originally posted by rwingettOk. I gets it. Wasn't trying to start any trouble though.
This thread is about the Cypriot elections, and not about TRUE communism (whatever that is). If you want to blather on about TRUE communism, then I will refuse to oblige you. Please go start your own thread. If you want to talk about Cyprus then do so. Alternatively, you may offer some comment about Euro-communism. This is distinguished from TRUE communism ...[text shortened]... o oblige your rather curious fascination with TRUE communism within the confines of this thread.
F. GRANNY.
28 Feb 08
Originally posted by Millwall Lion Kingyeah, but the supreme court should turn all that over and distribute senatorships proportionately. one person, one vote!
In the begining the US forefathers were concern of the big states having too much power. So they decided on the two house system. Each state gets two senitors and in the house of reps. it is based on population. For example Rhode Island has 2 and California has 36.