23 Mar 06
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Originally posted by princeoforangeIf the top 10% in intelligence was spared, I'm afraid to say you would be dead.
Good plan.
But the top 10% in what field? Inteligence?
Bombing the Vatican isn't a bad idea though, bombing Mecca would be even better, preferably during the Hajj.
So maybe it isn't such a bad plan after all.
23 Mar 06
Originally posted by VargWhy not go the whole way and grow us in jars? Ethanol in my growth media please....
What you want is top 10% in intelligence and bottom 10% in intelligence.
Otherwise you'd have a lot of genius toilet cleaners and bar staff.
Why not go the whole way and have alphas, betas, gammas and deltas?
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23 Mar 06
Originally posted by twhiteheadMy concerns would be that we would all manipulate our genes to an extent that humans become identical and consequently be vulnerable to new diseases. Thats the beauty of human variation. Each successive generation is different; making it difficult for microbes to evolve to specifically target them.
I do not have any moral concerns/objections to eugenics. However almost any system is open to abuse and most people I think would have that as thier main fear. There is also a desire in most people for thier own children to survive and it would be obvious that any eugenics system that requires some people having children and others not would result in abu ...[text shortened]... ushing into it before the science is actually well understood and somehow creating monsters etc.
23 Mar 06
Originally posted by ASROMAVery original and witty, didn't see it coming at all, congratulations. Unfortunately you would have to die too, unless the bottom 10% thing happened.
If the top 10% in intelligence was spared, I'm afraid to say you would be dead.
So maybe it isn't such a bad plan after all.
24 Mar 06
Originally posted by Conrau KIt depends on who does the manipulation process. I think we all have different ideas about what is desirable and in addition most things can be achieved different ways. Not all intelligent or beautifull people are the same genetically. One of the things that would almost cirtainly be selected for would be resistance to disease as well as abscence of genetic diseases.
My concerns would be that we would all manipulate our genes to an extent that humans become identical and consequently be vulnerable to new diseases. Thats the beauty of human variation. Each successive generation is different; making it difficult for microbes to evolve to specifically target them.
The key difference would be that the evolution of humans (if it could be called that) would no longer be solely dependant a slow sexual genetic process and could proceed at a faster rate.
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24 Mar 06
Originally posted by twhiteheadBut isn't it an innate need for people to enhance their reproductive success?
It depends on who does the manipulation process. I think we all have different ideas about what is desirable and in addition most things can be achieved different ways. Not all intelligent or beautifull people are the same genetically. One of the things that would almost cirtainly be selected for would be resistance to disease as well as abscence of genet ...[text shortened]... no longer be solely dependant a slow sexual genetic process and could proceed at a faster rate.
So for whatever genes can facilitate that, they will be chosen. Quite possibly then, everyone will choose the same genes (or roughly the same) for their children to ensure their success. Then comes along a new strain of bird flu...and we all die.
24 Mar 06
Originally posted by Conrau Kno, all genes will be patented. the rich will be able to afford the very best and the poor will pop out barely modified primitive humans - probably still using that disgusting and inconvenient practice of live birth - so there will still be diversity.
But isn't it an innate need for people to enhance their reproductive success?
So for whatever genes can facilitate that, they will be chosen. Quite possibly then, everyone will choose the same genes (or roughly the same) for their children to ensure their success. Then comes along a new strain of bird flu...and we all die.
24 Mar 06
Originally posted by Conrau KApparent randomness makes life more interesting.
Considering the inexorable advance of medical science, its only a matter of time until the technology to "design" our own babies will be developed. I personally have very little objections to this, and completely support eugenics. If we could remove certain genes which are responsible for diseases before conception we could remarkably reduce the number of g ...[text shortened]...
Its a shame Hitler tried something like this too through regulated births and genocide.
I suppose it maybe a good idea to apply in medicine, but not to have "the survival of the fittests" for certain individuals, enhancement of richs dominating poors.
have you watched a film called Gattaca? your idea is in the film, have a try. you might enjoy watching it.
26 Mar 06
Originally posted by princeoforangei don't think overpopulation will be that much of a problem ... there'll be solutions ... dense housing, etc. ...
Yes, and have us all living to about 250 and capable of reproducing faster and longer. Get everyone screaming about overpopulation. Then we'd get even the Vatican to agree on birth control.
26 Mar 06
Originally posted by zeeblebotI agree with Zeeb,
i don't think overpopulation will be that much of a problem ... there'll be solutions ... dense housing, etc. ...
We'll just farm and eat the poor. We'll eat the fat people first, of course. That solves two problems, famine AND obesity... 😛
