22 Oct 08
Last night I watched Ben Stein's movie "Expelled". I must say that it was very interesting point that Ben points out between the Intelligent Design folks, and those against it. I was hoping to hear from some of the anti-Intelligent Design folks THAT HAVE SEEN THE MOVIE, and see if they were still solid in their beliefs.
22 Oct 08
Originally posted by Dace AceI find it unlikely that any "anti-intelligent design folks" would have their views changed by a partisan movie. I believe they generally form their ideas from verifiable facts which don´t change as a result of powerful argument. Facts are facts.
Last night I watched Ben Stein's movie "Expelled". I must say that it was very interesting point that Ben points out between the Intelligent Design folks, and those against it. I was hoping to hear from some of the anti-Intelligent Design folks THAT HAVE SEEN THE MOVIE, and see if they were still solid in their beliefs.
22 Oct 08
Originally posted by WheelyWell, that was the point of the movie. Ben talked to the top "anti-intelligent design folks" and tried to find the "facts" of where life started. The answers were unbelievable!
I find it unlikely that any "anti-intelligent design folks" would have their views changed by a partisan movie. I believe they generally form their ideas from verifiable facts which don´t change as a result of powerful argument. Facts are facts.
I didn't have an opinion on the subject at all, but now I do.
One of the key points is what the science community is doing right now is effecting our freedom of thought, and our freedom as a society.
I was afraid it was going to be a religious movie, but it wasn't at all.
23 Oct 08
Originally posted by Dace AceWhat do you expect from a washed up ex-Nixon speechwriter like Stein?
Last night I watched Ben Stein's movie "Expelled". I must say that it was very interesting point that Ben points out between the Intelligent Design folks, and those against it. I was hoping to hear from some of the anti-Intelligent Design folks THAT HAVE SEEN THE MOVIE, and see if they were still solid in their beliefs.
Spend some time at a few of the sites that expose 'Expelled' as the farce that it is.
http://www.expelledexposed.com/
23 Oct 08
Oh dear... cutting out bits of Darwin's origin of species to make it out to support eugenics... I thought Michael Moore was biased. Having since read Rwingett's link, I'm hardly surprised there were so many misdirections. This is on a par with the global warming swindle
I was hoping to hear what made Intelligent Design such a great theory, but all I heard was a typical anti-atheist rant. Reminds me of an election in a certain country...
23 Oct 08
Originally posted by Dace AceNobody knows, for sure, where or how life started. There are a few theories of how it might have happened but no proven mechanism as yet. Why would anybody ask a scientist that?
Well, that was the point of the movie. Ben talked to the top "anti-intelligent design folks" and tried to find the "facts" of where life started. The answers were unbelievable!
I didn't have an opinion on the subject at all, but now I do.
One of the key points is what the science community is doing right now is effecting our freedom of thought, an ...[text shortened]... as a society.
I was afraid it was going to be a religious movie, but it wasn't at all.
Just wait a bit and a mechanism will be determined.
23 Oct 08
Originally posted by WheelyHow long is a little bit?
Nobody knows, for sure, where or how life started. There are a few theories of how it might have happened but no proven mechanism as yet. Why would anybody ask a scientist that?
Just wait a bit and a mechanism will be determined.
Or is it always just around the corner?
23 Oct 08
Originally posted by EladarI don´t know but there has been significant progress recently. The old "shove a load of chemicals in a glass beaker and shove electricity through it" is having a bit of a come back of late.
How long is a little bit?
Or is it always just around the corner?
You only need to create a protein that replicates for no apparent reason and you´re away!
23 Oct 08
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Originally posted by EladarNo, it´s not that I "believe" because I don´t really care. However, I like to keep up with the things going on around me and I have seen significant progress in the field.
I was just wondering how many failed experiments it will take for people like you to believe that it can't happen. My guess in that no such number of experiments exists. You simply believe.
It is possible to create a protein soup from nothing but a load of rubbish now whereas many years ago it wasn´t. Seems like progress to me. Now all we need to do is create the right conditions for something approaching RNA to be created and we can all lie back and suck on a big cigar.
Are you worried that it might be possible?
By the way, do you see no irony in your statement that you think I merely "believe" immediately after saying you have "guessed" the truth?
23 Oct 08
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Originally posted by WheelyThere's always been significant progress in the field. The discovery of the primordial soup has always been just around the corner.
No, it´s not that I "believe" because I don´t really care. However, I like to keep up with the things going on around me and I have seen significant progress in the field.
It is possible to create a protein soup from nothing but a load of rubbish now whereas many years ago it wasn´t. Seems like progress to me. Now all we need to do is create the right c ...[text shortened]... t that you think I merely "believe" immediately after saying you have "guessed" the truth?
Why would you lie back and suck a big cigar if you really don't care?
You ask if I am concerned about it. I'm not. From the ID point of view, you would have only discovered a possible way by which God created/brought about life.
23 Oct 08
Originally posted by Dace AceThere is an utterly ridiculous "theory" making the rounds that the current economic crisis is related to "sub-prime" mortgages. What nonsense. The theory is full of holes -- for example, the fact that no one has been able to find the "missing link" between sub-prime and prime mortgages.
Last night I watched Ben Stein's movie "Expelled". I must say that it was very interesting point that Ben points out between the Intelligent Design folks, and those against it. I was hoping to hear from some of the anti-Intelligent Design folks THAT HAVE SEEN THE MOVIE, and see if they were still solid in their beliefs.
The truth is that the current economic crisis is nothing more than the Intelligent Act of a Creator who is punishing us for our sins. "As ye sow, so shall ye reap," etc.
In future, I plan on demanding equal time in Economics classes for Intelligent Acts as a prime mover of the world economy.
23 Oct 08
Originally posted by Dace AceI'm very interested in seeing this movie.
Last night I watched Ben Stein's movie "Expelled". I must say that it was very interesting point that Ben points out between the Intelligent Design folks, and those against it. I was hoping to hear from some of the anti-Intelligent Design folks THAT HAVE SEEN THE MOVIE, and see if they were still solid in their beliefs.
I googled, but can't find a link to see it online.
It's not been released in Holland.
Please. And seriously, I'm not joking, I want to see it.