12 Apr 13
Originally posted by bill718No, it will be because of people like you. If you were the only one, then it would not be an issue. One person is meaningless. It is because most Americans see things as you do that we are doomed. It is the mindset that is taught to us in government schools and the entertainment industry that teaches the masses what to believe. That will be the downfall.
Eladar- Indeed, when our country ceases to exist...it will be all MY fault. 🙄
So no, it isn't your fault. It is the system that produces people like you that is at fault.
12 Apr 13
Originally posted by Metal BrainIn divorces that guys get the shaft? Say it isn't so!
My ex-wife used to buy soda pop with food stamps. Here in Michigan there is a 10 cent refund on the bottles and the food stamps cover it. She can return the bottles and get a small amount of cash from that loophole. I feel that loophole should be closed to avoid subsidizing soda pop companies.
The way the DHS does things here in Michigan is very unjus ...[text shortened]... se food stamps don't buy cat food. The system is too liberal to some while uncaring to others.
13 Apr 13
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Originally posted by Metal BrainI was in the thick of the food stamp program, back when it was actual stamps or coupons. And back then 70s to early 90s, you had to segregate bottle deposits from contents prices. Not many bothered, and it was common to just exchange stamps for cash, at a discount of course.
My ex-wife used to buy soda pop with food stamps. Here in Michigan there is a 10 cent refund on the bottles and the food stamps cover it. She can return the bottles and get a small amount of cash from that loophole. I feel that loophole should be closed to avoid subsidizing soda pop companies.
The way the DHS does things here in Michigan is very unjus se food stamps don't buy cat food. The system is too liberal to some while uncaring to others.
My sister, exchanges part of her allotment for cash to buy beer and cigarettes. These incentives can't be avoided. Anytime you give away what people could at least in part earn themselves, you incentivize sloth and waste.
The most common incentive in large US cities, and probably in rural areas as well, is working "under the table". A low skill, minimum wage worker looks at the difference between work and welfare, and in many cases he "makes" more by not working. If work results in a small net increase, he reasons that only the increase is the result of his work. Why not take the welfare, and work on the side "off the books" and net the whole thing, tax free?
State bureaucracies work for the benefit of one entity, themselves. The clients are just objects that provide them with jobs.
I would add that as a business man, I became addicted to the income from food stamps, but when regulations on inventory and other things squeezed me out, after the initial shock, it was a relief not to bother anymore.
13 Apr 13
At one point in my life, I can't remember when but it was a while ago, I saw a guy buy a couple of things with his food stamps (he had a young girl with him) and got change in cash. He then paid for the other half of his purchase (beer and cigarettes) with the cash he got as change from the food stamps.
13 Apr 13
Originally posted by EladarThe horror!
At one point in my life, I can't remember when but it was a while ago, I saw a guy buy a couple of things with his food stamps (he had a young girl with him) and got change in cash. He then paid for the other half of his purchase (beer and cigarettes) with the cash he got as change from the food stamps.
14 Apr 13
Originally posted by EladarTrue, the influence of social democracy on Finnish politics has made life extremely hard here. It's a hardship unimaginable by people who live on food stamps and still have the audacity to buy cigarettes.
Just goes to show why socialism doesn't work, it's called human nature.
14 Apr 13
Originally posted by KazetNagorraThe problems with Socialism can be made less obvious if you have a better population pool. Better people make better societies.
True, the influence of social democracy on Finnish politics has made life extremely hard here. It's a hardship unimaginable by people who live on food stamps and still have the audacity to buy cigarettes.