Originally posted by zeeblebotThat's an extremely long article in which are a lot of questions Obama has been asked. It's not an appropriate answer to my question. However I will look at the first question asked in it.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704207504575130081383279888.html?mod=rss_opinion_main
Mr. Baier's first question was whether the president supports the so-called Slaughter rule, alternatively known as "deem and pass," which would avoid a straight up-or-down House vote on the Senate bill...
...Mr. Obama, in his response, made the usual case for ObamaCare. Mr. Baier pressed him. The president said, "The vote that's taken in the House will be a vote for health-care reform." We shouldn't, he added, concern ourselves with "the procedural issues."
This seems to be the interview in question.
Ah, here's a transcript of the relevant part:
BAIER: You have said at least four times in the past two weeks: “the United States Congress owes the American people a final up or down vote on health care.” So do you support the use of this Slaughter rule? The deem and pass rule, so that Democrats avoid a straight up or down vote on the Senate bill?
OBAMA: Here’s what I think is going to happen and what should happen. You now have a proposal from me that will be in legislation, that has the toughest insurance reforms in history, makes sure that people are able to get insurance even if they’ve got preexisting conditions, makes sure that we are reducing costs for families and small businesses, by allowing them to buy into a pool, the same kind of pool that members of Congress have.
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We know that this is going to reduce the deficit by over a trillion dollars. So you’ve got a good package, in terms of substance. I don’t spend a lot of time worrying about what the procedural rules are in the House or the Senate.
(CROSS TALK)
OBAMA: What I can tell you is that the vote that’s taken in the House will be a vote for health care reform. And if people vote yes, whatever form that takes, that is going to be a vote for health care reform. And I don’t think we should pretend otherwise.
(CROSS TALK)
OBAMA: Bret, let me finish. If they don’t, if they vote against, then they’re going to be voting against health care reform and they’re going to be voting in favor of the status quo. So Washington gets very concerned about these procedural issues in Congress. This is always an issue that’s — whether Republicans are in charge or Democrats in charge — when Republicans are in charge, Democrats constantly complain that the majority was not giving them an opportunity, et cetera.
What the American people care about is the fact that their premiums are going up 25, 40, 60 percent, and I’m going to do something about it.
http://emptysuit.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/bret-baier-interview-with-president-obama-transcript/
The critical part of Obama's reply:
I don’t spend a lot of time worrying about what the procedural rules are in the House or the Senate.
In other words, he feels it is not his place to weigh in on how the House does it's business. That is his answer, of course with a lot of politcal padding all around it. It's not a dodge.
Originally posted by Hugh GlassThat's a better description of his answer I think. except that it wasn't about him being important, it was about keeping positive imagery associated with his policies - typical politician talk.
He didn't really wiggle, it was more of,, I'll talk and talk, until time runs out... hopefully someone will realize how important I am.
Originally posted by AThousandYounghe's an ex-Senator!
The critical part of Obama's reply:
I don’t spend a lot of time worrying about what the procedural rules are in the House or the Senate.
In other words, he feels it is not his place to weigh in on how the House does it's business. That is his answer, of course with a lot of politcal padding all around it. It's not a dodge.
he didn't mind castigation the Supreme Court to their face, when they didn't go his way!
it's a dodge!
Originally posted by zeeblebotIs Obama on crack? I thought he banned Fox News from the White House? I guess that will teach him. At least Obama did not try the bit about premiums coming down 3000% if Obamacare is inacted.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704207504575130081383279888.html?mod=rss_opinion_main
Now for the Slaughter
On the road to Demon Pass, our leader encounters a Baier.
By PEGGY NOONAN
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704207504575130081383279888.html?mod=rss_opinion_main#articleTabs%3Dcomments
* 18 hours ago ...[text shortened]... eping on point--but not without looking totally evasive and/or uninformed.
Kudos to Baier!
I think this will be the last of such interviews. It is shocking that he let someone interview him that actually insisted that he answer questions. This is just mind boggling. I think he is really starting to lose it.
Originally posted by whodeyAmazing how Fox could be banned from the White House yet have interviews with Obama...
Is Obama on crack? I thought he banned Fox News from the White House? I guess that will teach him. At least Obama did not try the bit about premiums coming down 3000% if Obamacare is inacted.
I think this will be the last of such interviews. It is shocking that he let someone interview him that actually insisted that he answer questions. This is just mind boggling. I think he is really starting to lose it.
I have to say that my favority line was getting Obama so acknowledge that Obamacare does nothing to fix the "structural" problems with Medicare. In effect, Obama is acknowledging the need to "fix" things again down the road. Hello national health care!! I just wish Bret had then asked Obama why he was not looking to fix the structural problems now. Basically all Obama was saying is that his plan buys a little bit more time for a system that is doomed to fail.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungAs I'm sure you well know, they were banned from White House interviews. It then begs the question as to why now? I suppose it is an illustration of just how desperate they are to pass this. I would think after this difficult interview it will be the last.
Amazing how Fox could be banned from the White House yet have interviews with Obama...
Originally posted by whodeyNo, actually, I don't know that. I looked into it and it turns out that Obama decided not to send an aide to be interviewed by Fox. If that's not true, please, offer up some articles I can read.
As I'm sure you well know, they were banned from White House interviews. It then begs the question as to why now? I suppose it is an illustration of just how desperate they are to pass this. I would think after this difficult interview it will be the last.
Obama doesn't send an aide to be interviewed - sinister!
Obama interviews with Fox - sinister!
It seems you just need Obama to be a bad guy and will accept any events that happen as evidence of his evilness. It's similar to No True Scotsman - illogical due to the ad hoc fallacy.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungwhodey's blithering responses to the rather calm and collected analysis of parts of the interview you laid out, was very instructive.
It seems you just need Obama to be a bad guy and will accept any events that happen as evidence of his evilness.