"Free the world of the United States" ......

Originally posted by agryson
Look to the post above, indeed I had sunk to your level. I apologise wholeheartedly for it and will try harder in future to avoid such disastrous failures of character.

Bravo!!!
It's rare when someone here will admit to a wrong.
Very honorable IMO.

Originally posted by jammer
Bravo!!!
It's rare when someone here will admit to a wrong.
Very honorable IMO.

Thank you. That's quite nice of you to say it actually. Though I will of course try to keep the times I'm wrong to a minimum! 😛

Originally posted by scottishinnz
Again with the "if you're not invading a foreign country, you're a terrorist supporter" crap from you.

I would have expected something better than a strawman from you. Heh.

Originally posted by agryson
Europe, and indeed the world, have changed a lot since WWII. In fact, it's not really fair to speak about Europe as a single entity until the foundation of the EU. (well after WWII) Also, I think it was a fair choice (if a little soft) to do everything to avoid war the second time, everyone in Europe remembered the last time hostile action was used to defend ...[text shortened]... tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I
the paragraph on 'Social Trauma', it's quite short.

I'm not seeing them change with respect to the importance of freedom. What signs is it that I'm missing? Its entirely possible that I'm not taking something into consideration. Point something out and I'll take it in.

Here's what I look at. Their support for freedom under fire in places like Israel and Taiwan have been rather lackluster.

Is it not reasonable to see their lack of support for Taiwan as similar to say, Poland?

Originally posted by Merk
I'm not seeing them change with respect to the importance of freedom. What signs is it that I'm missing? Its entirely possible that I'm not taking something into consideration. Point something out and I'll take it in.

Here's what I look at. Their support for freedom under fire in places like Israel and Taiwan have been rather lackluster.

Is it not reasonable to see their lack of support for Taiwan as similar to say, Poland?

The majority of Europeans are quite concerned with the Israel situation, but unfortunately, we tend to see the Palestinians as the ones with the defecit of liberty, not Israel.
It was Irish troops who led the peace-keeping mission in the Lebanon (before Israel jumped on one isolated incident to rip the place to shreds... again... only last year.) You'll find us Europeans do not look kindly on the situation, but lacking a common foreign policy as of yet, it is difficult to deal with such things in a concerted manner.

Of course we're not changing with respect to the importance of freedom, it is as important as ever. we have concentrated on securing our own nations, and concentrating on diplomatic measures on foreign soil.

Look at the French military helping to evacuate people from the Leb during the small war last year, the industrial incentives to encourage Russian oil companies to operate within the E.U.'s borders to prevent Russia from hitting us with another energy shortage like last July.
All of that says to me that we are defending our own liberty and the liberty of others, but not necessarily using aggressive military action. Though Britain, Italy, Poland etc. have helped out in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Originally posted by agryson
Look to the post above, indeed I had sunk to your level. I apologise wholeheartedly for it and will try harder in future to avoid such disastrous failures of character.

No apologies needed. My level suits me just fine and you should be proud to stoop to it. Have you no True convictions?

Originally posted by Merk
I'm not seeing them change with respect to the importance of freedom. What signs is it that I'm missing? Its entirely possible that I'm not taking something into consideration. Point something out and I'll take it in.

Here's what I look at. Their support for freedom under fire in places like Israel and Taiwan have been rather lackluster.

Is it not reasonable to see their lack of support for Taiwan as similar to say, Poland?

Are you suggesting Europeans are less free than US citizens?
Disregarding the UK (which is the US of Europe):

Europe has less CCTV than the US, more legalised drugs, softer sentencing on criminals (and less crime), has abortion and euthenasia laws, has faster speed limits, easier going alcohol laws (less alcoholism...excluding Ireland), legalised prostitution, fewer passport restrictions, etc.

What points of freedom do we not have, that the US does have? (obviously exclusing Britain, because they're basically backwards).

Originally posted by smw6869
No apologies needed. My level suits me just fine and you should be proud to stoop to it. Have you no True convictions?

I do indeed have true convictions, hence our recent clashes, but I try to avoid confusing conviction with stubbornness. If a point is made which logically counters my argument, I must accept it. To do otherwise would not be beneficial to reasoned debate.
Reasoned debate is one of my true convictions. A degree of moral relativism is one of my true convictions. The requirement for evidence and logic too, I could go on...

Originally posted by Merk
I would have expected something better than a strawman from you. Heh.

It's generally your position though.

Originally posted by jammer
Bravo!!!
It's rare when someone here will admit to a wrong.
Very honorable IMO.

I did something wrong once.
can i have a Bravo?

Originally posted by smw6869
I did something wrong once.
can i have a Bravo?

That's quite common actually .. unless it really was "just once."

But you get a bravo anyway .. just for your fighting spirit alone.

Originally posted by jammer
That's quite common actually .. unless it really was "just once."

But you get a bravo anyway .. just for your fighting spirit alone.

Actually i'm sure i was wrong more than once. So i accept the Bravo.
I wonder if Wolfi will give me a Hug. No hugs from Missy for me thinks she be a he.