Originally posted by blindcheesecakeI'm an environmental biologist. I do agree with you about Alaska. However, one must consider the environmental impact. But the one thing that we, as a nation (the US), tries to do is not destroy the environment (although any alteration to the environment is destruction, this can be argued on another thread). So drilling in that area will not disrupt the area too much. In fact, where there are pipe lines in the area flora flourishes because of the heat. This allows the caribou (I think that is the horned animal up there) to increase their pack size because of the extra food.
I can't help but notice that the price for a gallon of gas in the US has quickly climbed. I saw a report on my local news which predicts prices as much as $4.00 by Labor Day. I have a small car, and paying close to $40.00 to fill it up should be illegal. I say Alaska. More oil, lower prices. That sounds good to me. If all the darn environmentalists d ...[text shortened]... er protecting the environment and sending us in to a depression or to drill some stinking oil!
Now getting back to the main point. If anyone is to blame for the increase in gas prices, it is the government. Oil industries make roughly 10 cents a gallon. The taxes by the federal government are some where in the mid 40's PER gallon. The states then tax oil. I think California and Hawaii have the highest tax at around 60+ cents per gallon.
This also occurs with cigarettes and alcohol. What the government is doing is double and triple taxation. And when the next Revolution comes...
By the way, depressions will happen with an open market no matter what and it cannot be blamed on one variable.
Originally posted by RagnorakThe environment will repair itself. We are nothing but fleas to the earth and if you don't believe me, look at a building with ivy growing up it. The ivy eats away at the building and soon (by hundreds of years not weeks or years since we will render ourselves extinct) that building will be nothing but earth again.
So you're willing to destroy millions of years of natures work and render hundreds of species extinct for a short term decrease in the price of oil? Remember, that even if they did drill Alaska, the oil would still go up at some point, so all you'd do is ruin a beautiful country (state) for the sake of a 5-10 years of potentially lower oil prices. And remember, there is no guarantee that oil prices wouldn't still rise.
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Originally posted by Ragnorakwhat percent of the land would be occupied by drilling?
So you're willing to destroy millions of years of natures work and render hundreds of species extinct for a short term decrease in the price of oil? Remember, that even if they did drill Alaska, the oil would still go up at some point, so all you'd do is ruin a beautiful country (state) for the sake of a 5-10 years of potentially lower oil prices. And remember, there is no guarantee that oil prices wouldn't still rise.
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the oil issue that never gets talked about it consumption rate. the reason for rising gas prices is always presented as a supply problem- "if those crazy enviromentalists just let them drill, we would have cheap oil forever..."
but the fact is that global oil supplies are running out and USA's consumption rate is over 3 times as much as any other country in the world.
if the Alaskan National Wildlife Preserve was opened for drilling,
a) the operation won't come online for another 7 years and
b) estimated oil reserves are 10.8 billion barrels, http://www.doi.gov/news/030312.htm
conspumption rate is 20.6 million barrells a day.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/topworldtables3_4.html
destroying part of a wilderness preserve to get less than 2 years worth of oil 10 years from now is stupid.
not to mention that the oil companies will go get the oil from public lands and then sell it back to us at ever increasing amounts.
but no... gas costs more because of enviromentalists. war is peace, 5=4
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4542853/
Ive reading some of your post and I just want to open your panorama, Im Mexican and we pay for gas gallon $2.70 Us dollars since i rember. The problem is that we have 4 at 10 times less GDP per capita that your countrys. And not only that, we are the 8 world biggest producer.
Now just imagine if you have complians think about us 🙁.
I just want to know wath you think about it, because its the case of other countrys in latin america.
Thanks
it's the environmentalists tooling around in their SUVs using up all that oil.
the estimated ANWR coastal plain reserves at 10.4 billion barrels (mean estimate) = 10 percent of the estimated recoverable reserves in the remainder of the US. all that, and only a few caribou to disturb.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/servicerpt/ogp/analysis_summary.html
and at around todays prices the ANWR coastal plain oil is worth around $6.5 trillion. so move over, Bullwinkle.
Originally posted by zeeblebotunless consumption is brought under control, 6.5 trillion or whatever it's worth won't matter because it will all be gone in little over a year.
it's the environmentalists tooling around in their SUVs using up all that oil.
the estimated ANWR coastal plain reserves at 10.4 billion barrels (mean estimate) = 10 percent of the estimated recoverable reserves in the remainder of the US. all that, and only a few caribou to disturb.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/servicerpt/ogp/analysis_summary.html
...[text shortened]... ays prices the ANWR coastal plain oil is worth around $6.5 trillion. so move over, Bullwinkle.
and then what?
for a whole year gasoline *might* (not a guarantee) drop slightly in price (more likely to just remain stable), so we can continue present rate of oil consumption?
and then run out and be even more dependent on foreign oil?
look- here's the ineluctable fact: global supplies _will_ run out. some say in 10 years, some say 50... but the consensus seems to be we're getting close. how much will that Alaskan oil be worth as other supplies run out?
Bush and oil companies use this issue to demonize environmentalists, (as if brushing aside a few moose would solve the problem) but ask yourself who stands to gain financially on this issue? are environmentalists getting rich off not-drilling in ANWR? think about the facts.
Originally posted by zeeblebothttp://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0605/sights_n_sounds/index.html
it's the environmentalists tooling around in their SUVs using up all that oil.
the estimated ANWR coastal plain reserves at 10.4 billion barrels (mean estimate) = 10 percent of the estimated recoverable reserves in the remainder of the US. all that, and only a few caribou to disturb.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/servicerpt/ogp/analysis_summary.html
...[text shortened]... ays prices the ANWR coastal plain oil is worth around $6.5 trillion. so move over, Bullwinkle.
http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0605/feature1/index.html
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