Originally posted by RJHindsThat's not what I said, so stop lying. As a practical matter, I don't waste time viewing YouTubes which can be edited to prove virtually anything. I will look at articles, however, and did look at those links you provided.
So it appears you did not really want me to post the information for you were never open to accepting it anyway. Just what I suspected. That is why i asked the question you failed to answer. 😏
I'll believe he's a deserter IF and WHEN there is sufficient evidence to do so. Not gossip, not scuttlebutt, not misinformation.
Originally posted by no1marauderYou apparently have never been in the military. In accordance with the international rules of war, prisoners of war are required to give their captors only enough information for identification, that is name, rank, serial number, and date of birth.
That's not what I said, so stop lying. As a practical matter, I don't waste time viewing YouTubes which can be edited to prove virtually anything. I will look at articles, however, and did look at those links you provided.
I'll believe he's a deserter IF and WHEN there is sufficient evidence to do so. Not gossip, not scuttlebutt, not misinformation.
I was a US Army soldier for twenty years and I know that the general orders and code of conduct we were given stated that when captured to give the enemy only name, rank, serial number, and date of birth. It is obvious from the video that he gave his captors much more information than that. Therefore, he violated those general orders and code of conduct as a soldier of the US Army, unless they have weakened those rules since I retired in 1984.
Originally posted by RJHindsStop the crap. No POW ever followed those non-existent "general orders". Hogan would have been up against a wall after being repatriated according to your post.
You apparently have never been in the military. In accordance with the international rules of war, prisoners of war are required to give their captors only enough information for identification, that is name, rank, serial number, and date of birth.
I was a US Army soldier for twenty years and I know that the general orders we were given stated that when ...[text shortened]... ders as a soldier of the US Army, unless they have weakened those rules since I retired in 1984.
Originally posted by no1marauderI looked it up on the internet and it is actually part of the
Stop the crap. No POW ever followed those non-existent "general orders". Hogan would have been up against a wall after being repatriated according to your post.
Code of Conduct for the United States Military
The Code of Conduct is the same for the Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force and Coast Guard.
1. I am an American, fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.
2. I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist.
3. If I am captured, I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.
4. If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith in my fellow prisoners. I will give no information or take part in any action which might be harmful to my comrades. If I am senior, I will take command. If not, I will obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me and back them up in every way.
5. When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give name, rank, service number, and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause.
6. I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and the United States of America.
http://www.madracki.com/usarmyhawk/generalorders.html
It has been over 30 years since I retired and I still remember that part. We were given the General Orders and the Code of Conduct at the same time and I did not remember they were not the same.
It also appear to me that Bowe Bergdahl's statements were disloyal to his country.
28 Aug 15
Originally posted by RJHindsThe caveat is " I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability."
I looked it up on the internet and it is actually part of the
Code of Conduct for the United States Military
The Code of Conduct is the same for the Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force and Coast Guard.
1. I am an American, fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.
2. I will ...[text shortened]... l Orders and the Code of Conduct at the same time and I did not remember they were not the same.
If you're looking at the possibility of being beheaded, your ability to not give further information is somewhat limited.
In any event, Bergdahl has not been charged with any misconduct relating to the time he was a prisoner. He claims and some reports indicate, that he tried to escape many times.
28 Aug 15
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Originally posted by no1marauderI believe you are wrong. If you would look at the last video I posted on the charges against Bergdahl, yoo will hear that he was charged with one count of desertion under Article 85 and one count of misbehavior before the enemy under Article 99 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
The caveat is " I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability."
If you're looking at the possibility of being beheaded, your ability to not give further information is somewhat limited.
In any event, Bergdahl has not been charged with any misconduct relating to the time he was a prisoner. He claims and some reports indicate, that he tried to escape many times.
28 Aug 15
Originally posted by RJHindsI'm aware of what he was charged with and neither count has anything to do with his conduct as a prisoner. That would be covered by Articles 104 and 105 of the UCMJ.
I believe you are wrong. If you would look at the last video I posted on the charges against Bergdahl, yoo will hear that he was charged with one count of desertion under Article 85 and [b]one count of misbehavior before the enemy under Article 99 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.[/b]
Originally posted by no1marauderArticle 4 of the Code of Conduct includes the statement "I will give no information or take part in any action which might be harmful to my comrades."
I'm aware of what he was charged with and neither count has anything to do with his conduct as a prisoner. That would be covered by Articles 104 and 105 of the UCMJ.
Article 5 of the Code of Conduct includes the statement "I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause.
His comrades say that 6 soldiers were killed while out looking for him. The fact that he was charged with misbehavior before the enemy could also include what he did while a prisoner. I can't say for sure since the details are not given. But it appears to me that if he does not get a court martial, then some funny business is going on.
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28 Aug 15
Originally posted by normbenignI can't get MSNBC over here, so I can't give a definitive answer to that, but given that M$ is part of its name (and yes, with that meaning) - I doubt it. It might look left-wing to the severely right-shifted political spectrum of the USA, but in reality, it's probably middle-right at most.
Would you happen to consider MSNBC to be left wing?
But again, I haven't seen it, so in this(!) case, I'm only guessing.
28 Aug 15
Originally posted by Shallow BlueIf that is the case then according to you, we don't have any left-wing media. I am sure glad I don't live in your country. 😏
I can't get MSNBC over here, so I can't give a definitive answer to that, but given that M$ is part of its name (and yes, with that meaning) - I doubt it. It might look left-wing to the severely right-shifted political spectrum of the USA, but in reality, it's probably middle-right at most.
But again, I haven't seen it, so in this(!) case, I'm only guessing.
29 Aug 15
Originally posted by whodeyIt's been suggested here that my intellect is lacking, so let me ask a simple question in keeping with my mediocre mentality. America has many prisons, so why is there such strong resistance to closing this one?
https://www.yahoo.com/katiecouric/now-i-get-it-gitmo-guantanamo-bay-president-obama-127264141618.html
President Obama has less than a year and a half before his time in office comes to an end. What’s lingering on his to-do list? Closing the U.S. military prison at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base in Cuba. Guantanamo, or Gitmo as it is often called, which come ...[text shortened]... estion of what to do with Gitmo, at least after watching this video you can say, “Now I get it.”
29 Aug 15
Originally posted by bill718Maybe it is because these are foreign terrorists and are known as the worst of the worst. 😏
It's been suggested here that my intellect is lacking, so let me ask a simple question in keeping with my mediocre mentality. America has many prisons, so why is there such strong resistance to closing this one?
02 Sep 15
Originally posted by RJHindsSo...one of America's supermax prisons, such as the one in Colorado is not secure enough for these terrorists? I don't believe that. I think Gitmo could be closed, and other prisons would do just as well.
Maybe it is because these are foreign terrorists and are known as the worst of the worst. 😏
02 Sep 15
Originally posted by bill718Prisons is the USA are for our citizens, who have the rights afforded to citizens of the USA. Gitmo is for foreign terrorist, who do not have the rights as citizens of the USA.
So...one of America's supermax prisons, such as the one in Colorado is not secure enough for these terrorists? I don't believe that. I think Gitmo could be closed, and other prisons would do just as well.