@no1marauder saidThe reverse is true as well. Colder water absorbs CO2 leaving less in the atmosphere.
Well "teach" me how higher temperatures cause higher CO2 levels but not the reverse like every reputable scientist says.
You can observe the effect yourself. Take two cold cans of soda pop out of your fridge. Open them both and put one back in the fridge and leave the other out in room temperature. Wait until the pop can you left out is warm. Take the opened cold can out of the fridge and drink some of it. Compare the two.
The warm one will have less CO2 dissolved in it. You will notice less fizz than the cold can of soda pop.
@metal-brain saidExcept that with warmer temperatures ice melts and sends more CO2 into the atmosphere. And as CO2 gets released into the atmosphere, the oceans becoming less and less able to absorb them:
The reverse is true as well. Colder water absorbs CO2 leaving less in the atmosphere.
You can observe the effect yourself. Take two cold cans of soda pop out of your fridge. Open them both and put one back in the fridge and leave the other out in room temperature. Wait until the pop can you left out is warm. Take the opened cold can out of the fridge and drink some of ...[text shortened]... arm one will have less CO2 dissolved in it. You will notice less fizz than the cold can of soda pop.
"Because the ocean has been absorbing more and more of the CO2 humans release into the atmosphere -- about a third of the planet's CO2 is taken in by the ocean -- the ocean has been becoming more acidic. Primary concerns of researchers have been both how to get the ocean to absorb ever more CO2 to help reduce what is in the atmosphere, and deal with the changing chemistry of the ocean which is impacting much of the flora and fauna. However, the results of this study show that as the ocean warms along with the planet, at least some parts of it will be less and less able to absorb CO2 from the atmosphere.
"More likely [than seeing the ocean's carbon levels surpass that of the atmosphere] what we're going to see is that the ocean will keep its equilibration but it doesn't have to take up as much carbon to do it because it's getting warmer at the same time," she says. "We are already seeing this in the North Atlantic subtropical gyre, and this is some of the first evidence for climate damping the ocean's ability to take up carbon from the atmosphere."
https://www.treehugger.com/climate-change-reducing-oceans-ability-to-absorb-carbon-dioxide-4857813
So the more CO2 gets released, the less able oceans can absorb it.
@no1marauder saidI didn't claim the oceans could keep absorbing CO2. You missed the point. CO2 lagged behind temperatures in the ice core samples. There is no proof of cause and effect except temps driving CO2 levels, not the other way around.
Except that with warmer temperatures ice melts and sends more CO2 into the atmosphere. And as CO2 gets released into the atmosphere, the oceans becoming less and less able to absorb them:
"Because the ocean has been absorbing more and more of the CO2 humans release into the atmosphere -- about a third of the planet's CO2 is taken in by the ocean -- the ocean has been b ...[text shortened]... -absorb-carbon-dioxide-4857813
So the more CO2 gets released, the less able oceans can absorb it.
You are still in denial. You are still resorting to the opposite cause and effect lie that Al Gore pushed. Temps did not lag behind CO2! Get it through your thick skull!
Methane also lagged behind temperatures in the ice core samples, yet alarmists only want to blame CO2. Why? There is no evidence CO2 is a bigger problem than Methane. You will probably claim it is both, but how can you possibly know that? You don't. Nobody does.
Also, if CO2 is as potent of a greenhouse gas as you seem to think every end to an ice age would result in unstoppable runaway warming and that didn't happen. You need to stop listening to tree huggers. They are feeding you junk science.
Sea level rise is still fairly normal for a warming climate. It hasn't accelerated enough to be alarmed at all. That means temps havn't either. Common sense should tell you that, but you need to let go of your new religion first.
You don't need to take anyone's word for what I told you why CO2 lags behind temps. You can prove it yourself.
Take two cold cans of soda pop out of your fridge. Open them both and put one back in the fridge and leave the other out in room temperature. Wait until the pop can you left out is warm. Take the opened cold can out of the fridge and drink some of it. Compare the two. The warm one will have less CO2 dissolved in it. You will notice less fizz than the cold can of soda pop.
Warmer water cannot hold as much CO2. The only place for it to go is in the atmosphere. That is why temps drive CO2 levels. There is no evidence CO2 drives temps in the atmosphere. That is a false assumption.
@metal-brain saidThe "tree huggers" are virtually every reputable scientist. I prefer to listen to them rather than an internet crank like yourself. The "greenhouse effect" is about as settled science as you can get and you screeching "no proof!" (meaning you are unconvinced) isn't impressive to most sane people.
I didn't claim the oceans could keep absorbing CO2. You missed the point. CO2 lagged behind temperatures in the ice core samples. There is no proof of cause and effect except temps driving CO2 levels, not the other way around.
You are still in denial. You are still resorting to the opposite cause and effect lie that Al Gore pushed. Temps did not lag behind CO2! Get it ...[text shortened]... havn't either. Common sense should tell you that, but you need to let go of your new religion first.
You still haven't explained how a temperature rise could create more CO2.
I'm not going to keep responding if all you do is stamp your feet and throw insults.
@no1marauder said"You still haven't explained how a temperature rise could create more CO2."
The "tree huggers" are virtually every reputable scientist. I prefer to listen to them rather than an internet crank like yourself. The "greenhouse effect" is about as settled science as you can get and you screeching "no proof!" (meaning you are unconvinced) isn't impressive to most sane people.
You still haven't explained how a temperature rise could create more CO2.
I'm not going to keep responding if all you do is stamp your feet and throw insults.
I never said create. I explained why CO2 is transferred from the ocean to the atmosphere when the ocean is warming. A warmer ocean cannot hold as much CO2.
Stop asking the same question over and over again. I answered your question perfectly.
I didn't insult you at all. Quote one insult from that post. Stop lying.
@metal-brain saidYou keep making a baseless claim, but as this graph shows it is simply not true that CO2 "lags" behind higher temperatures: https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/global-warming/temperature-change
"You still haven't explained how a temperature rise could create more CO2."
I never said create. I explained why CO2 is transferred from the ocean to the atmosphere when the ocean is warming. A warmer ocean cannot hold as much CO2.
Stop asking the same question over and over again. I answered your question perfectly.
I didn't insult you at all. Quote one insult from that post. Stop lying.
"There is a well-known correlation between temperatures and CO2 concentrations over glacial periods. The figure below shows both temperatures (red line) – reconstructed from hydrogen isotope analysis – and atmospheric CO2 concentrations (blue line) from air bubbles trapped in Antarctic ice over the past 800,000 years."
https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-how-the-rise-and-fall-of-co2-levels-influenced-the-ice-ages
@no1marauder saidNo it doesn't. Your own graphs from the links you posted has CO2 lagging. Look again. Even if the graph did show what you are claiming it would only prove your sources wrong. The Vostok ice core samples are proof CO2 lagged behind temps.
You keep making a baseless claim, but as this graph shows it is simply not true that CO2 "lags" behind higher temperatures: https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/global-warming/temperature-change
"There is a well-known correlation between temperatures and CO2 concentrations over glacial periods. The figure below shows both temperatures (red line) – reconstructed from hydrogen isot ...[text shortened]...
https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-how-the-rise-and-fall-of-co2-levels-influenced-the-ice-ages
You are attempting to deny established science. It is not my fault you were not aware of it. You were mislead into believing a reverse cause and effect. Don't kill the messenger. I am just giving you the truth.
Have you done that soda pop thing to verify warmer water cannot hold as much CO2 yet? Warmer soda goes flat. You cannot deny known physics forever.
edit: Your own carbonbrief.org website says this.
"Colder ocean water dissolves more CO2, absorbing more from the atmosphere, though this is somewhat offset by the effect of higher salinity on ocean CO2 absorption – as fresh water from snow freezes into ice sheets."
There you go, from your own link. Obviously the opposite is true as well. Warmer water cannot dissolve as much CO2. There is a correlation for sure, but you had your cause and effect backwards. I don't blame you that much though. You were indoctrinated with propaganda from Al Gore and the corporate news media. They deliberately mislead you and a whole generation of people.
@metal-brain saidTake it to spirituality spanky.
Global Warming and C02: “Biggest Misdirection in the History of Science”.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/critical-voices-climate-change/5749664
It is time for rational thinking to return.
What the hell is the matter with you?
@shavixmir saidThat is your projection.
Take it to spirituality spanky.
What the hell is the matter with you?
Don't you ever debate me? What is the matter with you? You don't belong here if you are not going to debate.You take it to the spirituality forum spanky.
@sonhouse saidStop trolling. This is the debate forum, not the trolling forum.
@vivify
Metal Brain, named quite aptly, doesn't care what you post, they will ALWAYS be fake news BECAUSE MB is A, an IDIOT and B STUPID, C whatever you post he will just SAY, 'No good', no matter WHAT the source.
Your aversion to facts is noted.