good news from iraq

Originally posted by xs
Good news is bad news for some point of views, and must be discounted.
Such views are more favorable to news about more death of soldiers, prisoner
abuse sagas, unfavourable opinion polls, and failure in generally.

Naysayers (always "intelligent" people), while demanding it for themselves,
take freedom for granted. And discount the value of freedom f ...[text shortened]... r others; to try
to spread it around is too hard, too costly, and ultimately not our business.

Yes, people in countries invaded and occupied by foreigners are extremely free.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Yes, people in countries invaded and occupied by foreigners are extremely free.

Well not all, just 24 million or so Iraqis.

Originally posted by xs
Well not all, just 24 million or so Iraqis.

Free to do what?

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Originally posted by xs
Well not all, just 24 million or so Iraqis.

I assume that's only a sick joke; please tell me that even the thickest headed right-winger doesn't seriously believe that Iraqis are presently "free". Their country is militarily occupied and their homes can be entered at will by foreign troops. They can be arrested by those troops and held without charges for whatever period the foreigners feel is necessary. Their "government" can only do what the US government and military allow it to do. Is that your definition of "free"? It certainly isn't what the Framers were thinking of.

Originally posted by no1marauder
I assume that's only a sick joke; please tell me that even the thickest headed right-winger doesn't seriously believe that Iraqis are presently "free". Their country is militarily occupied and their homes can be entered at will by foreign troops. They can be arrested by those troops and held without charges for whatever period the foreigners feel is ...[text shortened]... do. Is that your definition of "free"? It certainly isn't what the Framers were thinking of.

Instead of rejoicing, you can barely hide your despair at the U.S.
success in bringing freedom to the Iraqi people.
So much so in fact, that you have to deny it even exist.

Start reading the good news.

Originally posted by xs
Instead of rejoicing, you can barely hide your despair at the U.S.
success in bringing freedom to the Iraqi people.
So much so in fact, that you have to deny it even exist.

Start reading the good news.

Thanks for the non-answer; you sound like blindfaith101 in the Spirituality forum.

Originally posted by sasquatch672
Gotta tell ya, bud, I don't deny that some good things are happening in Iraq, but it's not by any means a steady stream of improvement. 80% of Iraqis in a recent Zogby poll want the US troops to leave Iraq and 45% of Iraqis believe that indurgent attacks on US troops are justified. In addition, the few truly measurable metrics on progress: power ge ...[text shortened]... n they were a year ago.

That's not partisan. That's what's out there in the real world.

Heres a long list of 2004/2005 "metrics".
http://www.defendamerica.mil/iraq/rebuilding.html

In case you missed it, elections were held in January 2005.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4220741.stm

The Zogby poll you qouted of 805 Iraqi adults from January 19 to 23, 2005 -before
the elections - was Sunni Arabs 82% and Shiites 69% want the US troops to
leave Iraq, and 53% believe that ongoing attacks in Iraq are a legitimate form of
resistance. That's changed worldwide...heres a good news poll:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/14/AR2005071401030.html

Some soldiers have a different prospective than the ones seen in the media:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/CSM/story?id=1350245

The fact is the positive accomplishments of U.S. soldiers and Iraq’s new democratic
leaders is being lost in a news agenda dominated by assassinations, car bombings
and casualty reports.

Originally posted by xs
Heres a long list of 2004/2005 "metrics".
http://www.defendamerica.mil/iraq/rebuilding.html

In case you missed it, elections were held in January 2005.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4220741.stm

The Zogby poll you qouted of 805 Iraqi adults from January 19 to 23, 2005 -before
the elections - was Sunni Arabs 82% and Shiites 69% want the US tro ...[text shortened]... is being lost in a news agenda dominated by assassinations, car bombings
and casualty reports.

Elections don't mean anything if those elected have no power. The elections in January elected a parliament who's sole power was to draft a constitution. There is no Iraqi government to speak of; all laws are approved by the US military and authorities or they don't get done. Period.

You answer a poll of Iraqis regarding the presence of foreign troops in their country with a poll regarding Osama Bin Laden! Apples here, oranges there.

Yeah, it sucks that the biased media is reporting the war rather than the propaganda you want.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Elections don't mean anything if those elected have no power. The elections in January elected a parliament who's sole power was to draft a constitution. There is no Iraqi government to speak of; all laws are approved by the US military and authorities or they don't get done. Period.

You answer a poll of Iraqis regarding the presence of foreig ...[text shortened]... Yeah, it sucks that the biased media is reporting the war rather than the propaganda you want.

Fast post, obviously you did not read any of it.

Originally posted by xs
Fast post, obviously you did not read any of it.

Since I know all about the elections, I don't have to read another news article about them.

I looked at the article about Muslim attitudes, found out it was about Osama Bin Laden and had nothing to do with Iraq. Why would I bother with it?

Soldiers support the war! What a surprise! They are part of an organization based on obedience and doing as they are told. Again big deal.

So basically you have nothing but your fantasies to measure against tens of thousands of dead and the reality of a militarily occupied people who want the foreigners out. The "good news" from Iraq will be when the foreign troops leave and stop killing and being killed.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Since I know all...

I have to reiterate:
Good news is bad news for some point of views, and must be discounted.
Such views are more favorable to news about more death of soldiers, prisoner
abuse sagas, unfavorable opinion polls, and failure in generally.

I can understand anger with Bush for bringing us to this, but here we are nonetheless.
And useless partisan hackery serves no one.

I made reference to soldiers because when it comes to the future of Iraq, there is a deep
disconnect between those who have firsthand knowledge of the situation - Iraqis and U.S.
soldiers serving in Iraq - and those whose impressions are shaped by the doomsday press.

And point to two successful elections this year, on Jan. 30 and Oct. 15, in which the
majority of Iraqis braved insurgent threats to vote. The constitutional referendum in October
was significant because it marked the first wholesale engagement of Sunnis in the political
process. Since then, Sunni political parties have made clear their determination to also
participate in the Dec. 15 parliamentary election.

I not saying that everything is wonderful in Iraq. But defeatism is smothering all reason.
If it's fantasy to be optimistic, I'm in good company.
http://www.rnc.org/News/Read.aspx?ID=5950

Originally posted by invigorate
I visited goodnewsiraq.com
I nearly puked on my computer screen. The soundtrack was cheeesier than a quatro frommagio pizza.

Arresting hundreds of terror suspects is nothing to be proud of.

This propaganda is very similar to the arab propaganda that the US wants to crackdown on.

A pedant writes:

"Surely invigorate intended the pizza of the 'quattro formaggi' variety? It is indeed rather cheesy".

Sorry. Italianist. I'll get my coat.😳