Originally posted by @mott-the-hoopleIt’s not the concept which is causing the problems in the NHS.
And liberals want this?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/feb/08/patients-suffering-direct-result-nhs-wait-time-failures
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/social-care-vacancies-audit-office-11988585
Originally posted by @wajomaWhy this argument on healthcare and not in the army?
Ohh plenty of people are throwing around the 'free' word, it doesn't occur around here so much now because they've had their knuckles rapped too many times.
Here's the factor, all those that believe in the affordable healthcare act band together voluntarily and form your own organisation. See how simple that is, everyone's happy.
Funny how cost is of so little concern when you're dipping your hand in other peoples pockets.
Originally posted by @shavixmirGo ahead argue about the army.
Why this argument on healthcare and not in the army?
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Originally posted by @mott-the-hoopleRather than what I have now, which is also a (shock! horror! commies under my hospital bed!) socialised system, only not nearly so 1950s Anglo-Saxon? No, thanks.
And liberals want this?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/feb/08/patients-suffering-direct-result-nhs-wait-time-failures
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/social-care-vacancies-audit-office-11988585
Rather than the plutocratic, anti-Christian, fully commercialised horror circus I'd suffer under if I lived in the USA? Goodness, yes, any day of the week.
The Canadian health care system is often touted as being an example the U.S. should follow. The following article is from Huffington Post, a decidedly liberal journal. It should be noted that in the U.S., rural areas are extremely under-served by hospitals and medical care. As a result of this and other problems, the U.S. has a very high maternal and infant mortality rate compared to other industrialized countries. The U.S. must decide if health care is a privilege or a right. I believe it is a right. I believe the U.S. should be able to analyze the universal health care systems in other countries and come up with our own unique program that will provide health care for all and prevent people from going bankrupt due to medical bills or dying due to a lack of access to services. No program can be perfect. However, the current system in the U.S. is horrible and getting worse.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/bacchus-barua-/canada-health-care_b_9646872.html
Originally posted by @philokaliaThe only thing still free seems the witness relocation program.
....So, what can you say about "the free market" system? I'm not sure. We haven't properly tried it for decades now.
Edit: much apologies, I see you only being sensible.
Originally posted by @divegeesterThat isn't actually related to what I said at all because I did not comment on the NHS and the Affordable Healthcare Act has ltitle in common with it.
The inception of the National Health Service on July 5th 1948 was IMO one of the proudest days in UK history, it was the climax of true political social vision coupled with a commitment to change which was resolute irrespective of the cost. Social vision is like that, it requires a desire to move forward that is driven not by economic forces but by an e ...[text shortened]... Act. Why oh why would a nation not want affordable healthcare for all its citizens. Astonishing.
I do not disagree with the liberal inclination to provide healthcare to everyone. I share it. It is unacceptable to think of the poor among us dying for lack of medical care.
I am something of an "agnostic" on this.
There's more than one way to skin a cat -- I'll vote for whatever plan makes the most sense for the people involved.
This is also where American democracy has begun tripping over itself -- neither party can enact its vision so we are stuck with patchworking hybrid plans together that don't do a good job.
Originally posted by @philokaliaHere is what you said;
That isn't actually related to what I said at all because I did not comment on the NHS and the Affordable Healthcare Act has ltitle in common with it.
Originally posted by @jacob-verville now posting as @philokalia
“It I have heard it said that Obamacare (or the Affordable Care Act) was utterly problem riddled from the moment of rollout and was not sustainable.”
I thought what you said, like much of what you say, was complete bollox and respond to your pessimistic anti-social lack of vision with my own perspective on public healthcare. It was a spot on reply to your post.
The post that was quoted here has been removedThe NHS is superior to health care in the U.S. which excludes many, many people. The U.S. has horrible health care except for those who can afford it. HOWEVER, once again, Duchess shows her ignorance. The UK's National Health Care system is facing many problems. To claim it is excellent based on Hawking's comments is ignorant. I suppose Duchess will claim that the New York Times' article is suspect because it is a published in the U.S.
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/02/03/world/europe/ap-eu-britain-health-service.html
Originally posted by @divegeesterI don't really get it.
Here is what you said;
Originally posted by @jacob-verville now posting as @philokalia
“It I have heard it said that Obamacare (or the Affordable Care Act) was utterly problem riddled from the moment of rollout and was not sustainable.”
I thought what you said, like much of what you say, was complete bollox and respond to your pessimistic anti-so ...[text shortened]... ack of vision with my own perspective on public healthcare. It was a spot on reply to your post.
You talked about the NHS.
Obamacare was NOT like the NHS, and isntead it actually gave a ton of people higher premiums.
Remember the so-called "October Surprise?" The badness of Obamacare literally influenced the election.