greed versus common sense

Originally posted by knightmeister
Yes it is. Maybe finely balanced is a better phrase? Climatologists generally agree that our climate is more susceptible to fluctuations than was previously thought.

The climate is not "balanced" either - how else would all these ice ages have occurred?

Originally posted by knightmeister
Yes it is. Maybe finely balanced is a better phrase? Climatologists generally agree that our climate is more susceptible to fluctuations than was previously thought.

If it's more susceptible to fluctuations then it's less finely tuned.

Originally posted by bill718
The Conservatives have solutions to all these things:

1. Outlaw abortions

2. Continue to neglect the enviornment because it may harm the economy.

3. Promote needless spending on things of dubious necessity because it stimulates the economy.

4. Promote the need for an over bloated military machine

5. Send ALL blue collar jobs to China, so they ...[text shortened]... 't want those damn tree hugging LIBERALS keeping the planet clean and able to sustain life!! 😠

there are so many strawmans on this post it doesn't even deserve a counter-argument.

have you been watching msnbc?

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
The climate is not "balanced" either - how else would all these ice ages have occurred?

The ice ages happen and come about during long periods of time (eg 1000's of years ) . What we are beginning to see are fluctuations over decades , which by earth standards is incredible.

Temperature fluctations will naturally occur , but we have the ability to drive those changes much quicker than they would normally happen. In this context our climate is finely tuned. For example , predictions regarding sea temperatures show that if we allow things to go too far then deep sea methane beds will begin to release greenhouse gases into the air and then climate change will be out of our control.

We are basically , right now playing russian roulette with our gret grandchildren's lives.

Originally posted by sh76
If it's more susceptible to fluctuations then it's less finely tuned.

Engines that are finely tuned are more susceptible than basic engines that have large parameters of optimal performance.

Our climate is not a robust diesel engine but more like a dragster engine ready to pop at any moment. Look at the unexpected effect that rainfall in Russia has had on the gulf stream via the great north russian rivers. The Jet stream is also another example of how precarious things can be . It moves a little bit and we in the UK have virtually 3 years of tropical rainforest weather in the summer with rain ,rain and more rain.

Wake up and smell the coffee matey , it's happening now .

Originally posted by knightmeister
The ice ages happen and come about during long periods of time (eg 1000's of years ) . What we are beginning to see are fluctuations over decades , which by earth standards is incredible.

Temperature fluctations will naturally occur , but we have the ability to drive those changes much quicker than they would normally happen. In this context our c ...[text shortened]...

We are basically , right now playing russian roulette with our gret grandchildren's lives.

Changes in the climate at times happened faster than on the timescale of thousands of years.

You have absolutely no reason to believe we are "playing with our grandchildren's lives".

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
The climate is not "balanced" either - how else would all these ice ages have occurred?

what makes you think ice ages and warming periods are not part of the "balanced" cycle?

You humans are so intransigent. Balanced does not have to mean static

Originally posted by uzless
what makes you think ice ages and warming periods are not part of the "balanced" cycle?

You humans are so intransigent. Balanced does not have to mean static

Because I know something about chaos theory.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
The climate is not "balanced" either - how else would all these ice ages have occurred?

But if the liberal had been in office before the ice age they could have prevented it by taxing us out of it.

Originally posted by knightmeister
Engines that are finely tuned are more susceptible than basic engines that have large parameters of optimal performance.

Our climate is not a robust diesel engine but more like a dragster engine ready to pop at any moment. Look at the unexpected effect that rainfall in Russia has had on the gulf stream via the great north russian rivers. The Jet s ...[text shortened]... mer with rain ,rain and more rain.

Wake up and smell the coffee matey , it's happening now .

But all you are doing is describing events that do not follow a "normal" weather pattern and then pinning the cause on fossil fuels. However, abnormal weather patterns have a rich history as has been pointed out before fossil fuels even entered the picture. Therefore, to prove causality I think is problematic to say the least.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
Because I know something about chaos theory.

Try us, do tell some details if you don't mind.. consider it a friendly challenge.

Originally posted by eljefejesus
Try us, do tell some details if you don't mind.. consider it a friendly challenge.

What do you want to know?

Originally posted by knightmeister
We live on a planet with limited resources and a finely tuned climate system. We continue our industrial and financial progress at an incredible rate. Our population looks set to be 9 billion before too long.

The time will come when capitalism will break down and the politics of profit , short term , unabated progress and consumerism will be chall ...[text shortened]... Greed and short term profits often prevail. The quiet voice of common sense is not often heard.

TEH BIBLE SAY GO FORTH AND MULTIPLY

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
TEH BIBLE SAY GO FORTH AND MULTIPLY

yeah but that was a long time ago, when the population of the world was very small compared to today's.

plus, religious texts should never be a basis for legislation.

Originally posted by generalissimo
yeah but that was a long time ago, when the population of the world was very small compared to today's.

plus, religious texts should never be a basis for legislation.

It still applies to today, it always has and always will apply, God didn't say "Hey Adam and Eve, I want humans to be fruitful and multiply for a thousand years only" or something like that, if we don't be fruitful then humans will be gone in a century. That's the problem it should because if it isn't then what is it based on? The Fifth Commandment is; "Thou shalt not kill", does that mean we shouldn't use it because God said we should?