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14 Feb 23
17 Feb 23
@averagejoe1 saidYou might as well discuss quantum mechanics with a collie as try to discuss economic policy with someone as incredibly brainwashed that they believe income and wealth disparities in a modern capitalist State are fully explained by "some work harder than others."
Easy on the Christianity and while we are at it, morality. I do both, quite heavily, we have diff definitions, esp of morality. Morality to you is for rich people to spread the wealth they earned while other people were not earning wealth. Like when I say, some work harder than others.....that is why some have more than others, and libs just cannot get that concept.
...[text shortened]... t want to impute a certain duty that one may have for another, and usually someone they do not know.
17 Feb 23
@averagejoe1 said"Golly, free money. Guaranteed Income! This means that the govt will have more power, and they will own us"
You dems can't bankrupt this nation fast enough.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-13/guaranteed-basic-income-gets-boost-from-county-leaders-in-la-and-chicago
Golly, free money. Guaranteed Income! This means that the govt will have more power, and they will own us. Sonhjoluse says that it is us who want th power .
Anyway, more people dependent on th ...[text shortened]... Control is the goal. Your govt gets into the racket, the grift,...how reckless will the govt get.
Gasp, the horror. Working 2 jobs for pocket change while being under threat of getting sick and not afford the cost or the democratically elected government giving you a basic monthly income to allow you some breathing room.
This is the toughest choice I was presented with in my life. I have no idea what to pick.
I think I will choose the multi billion dollar corporation that pays the starvation wage in exchange for back breaking work. No government will ever control me thank you very much.
18 Feb 23
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@no1marauder
Yup. How many times harder does the CEO of Nike work compared to third-world workers who earn less than a quarter per pair of shoes?
18 Feb 23
@averagejoe1 saidAlaska has already done it with oil revenue.
You dems can't bankrupt this nation fast enough.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-13/guaranteed-basic-income-gets-boost-from-county-leaders-in-la-and-chicago
Golly, free money. Guaranteed Income! This means that the govt will have more power, and they will own us. Sonhjoluse says that it is us who want th power .
Anyway, more people dependent on th ...[text shortened]... Control is the goal. Your govt gets into the racket, the grift,...how reckless will the govt get.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alaska-oil-wealth-payments-2022/
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/alaska-free-money-residents-hints-how-universal-basic-income-may-work
It is called universal basic income, or UBI. Andrew Yang pushed the idea when he made a run for president. He argued automation would take away people's jobs in the future so it would become inevitable. Right wingers immediately called it a left wing dumb idea claiming people would be lazy and not work. Then it was revealed that republicans experimented with the idea.
https://spotlightonpoverty.org/news/time-dick-cheney-donald-rumsfeld-ran-universal-basic-income-experiment-nixon/
Funny how nobody seemed interested in asking Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld about it.
“The same study was replicated in Gary, Indiana, as well as Seattle and Denver, and all offered evidence that a guaranteed income’s effect on work ethic was ‘nil,’ says Livingston. As the New York Times reported in 1970, Congress was convinced by Rumsfeld’s experiment and approved his proposed measure to replace welfare with this more streamlined system. The Senate didn’t approve the plan, however, and the issue faded. Nixon, too, turned against the idea.”
18 Feb 23
@creastalia saidA guaranteed income’s effect on work ethic was ‘nil’ when republicans did an experiment with it. Alaskans didn't get lazy when they got oil money from government.
Yeah, not a good idea. We need some incentives to work and I think this would go too far.
https://spotlightonpoverty.org/news/time-dick-cheney-donald-rumsfeld-ran-universal-basic-income-experiment-nixon/
You are repeating a popular myth. It was proven false that people would work less, but I suppose it might depend on the amount of money received. I am open to that possibility.
18 Feb 23
@Metal-Brain
Yes, it might depend on the parameters. What happens if you choose to work? Do you get paid income from work on top of the guaranteed income?
18 Feb 23
@creastalia saidOf course. Why wouldn't you?
@Metal-Brain
Yes, it might depend on the parameters. What happens if you choose to work? Do you get paid income from work on top of the guaranteed income?
I think Nixon had the UBI studied because he was hoping to prove it would discourage people from working to kill the idea. He did the same thing with cannabis. Did a study on marijuana, proved it was not dangerous and nixed the idea anyway.
18 Feb 23
@phranny saidI am with Phranny on this one. Identify the destitute, and fully take care of them. The truly helpless. Have a different program for the homeless, not to be confused with losers. Teach them how to fish, so to speak. The third group, those homeless who make a life of it, herd them to one city block set aside for them. Tell them to have at it.
In January 2020 , there were 580,466 people experiencing homelessness in the U.S. That's about .174% of the population. Obviously we have a problem. The U.S. has the weakest social safety net among industrialized countries. Rather shameful considering we are the richest country.
Your saying that we have a 'weak safety net' is simply saying that we have he most minimalistic smatterings of socialism. Do you think we should go socialist, widening our safety net, at the expense of the USA land of opportunity? Can't have both.
18 Feb 23
@no1marauder saidReally? You are saying that I am wrong to say that people who work harder than others reap more rewards than people who don't work hard?
You might as well discuss quantum mechanics with a collie as try to discuss economic policy with someone as incredibly brainwashed that they believe income and wealth disparities in a modern capitalist State are fully explained by "some work harder than others."
Couldn't be more simple than that, I should be the go-to guy for defining common sense.
18 Feb 23
@metal-brain saidGolly, I would think the senators would approve UBI in a heartbeat.
Alaska has already done it with oil revenue.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alaska-oil-wealth-payments-2022/
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/alaska-free-money-residents-hints-how-universal-basic-income-may-work
It is called universal basic income, or UBI. Andrew Yang pushed the idea when he made a run for president. He argued automation would take away people's ...[text shortened]... Senate didn’t approve the plan, however, and the issue faded. Nixon, too, turned against the idea.”
18 Feb 23
@zahlanzi saidGlad to hear it, Zahlanzi. I would choose self-reliance myself. Hey, Zahlanizi, could you entertain us by actually typing the phrase 'Self reliance' and posting for all to see?.
"Golly, free money. Guaranteed Income! This means that the govt will have more power, and they will own us"
Gasp, the horror. Working 2 jobs for pocket change while being under threat of getting sick and not afford the cost or the democratically elected government giving you a basic monthly income to allow you some breathing room.
This is the toughest choice I was prese ...[text shortened]... ion wage in exchange for back breaking work. No government will ever control me thank you very much.
You can do this!!! (or, maybe not...)
18 Feb 23
@creastalia saidMe, I am thinking of the USA. Why don't you write about CHAD?
@no1marauder
Yup. How many times harder does the CEO of Nike work compared to third-world workers who earn less than a quarter per pair of shoes?
And, have you ever wondered why shareholders vote to pay a CEO a large salary?
Whew.
18 Feb 23
@averagejoe1 saidNixon already had his mind made up about Cannabis. Here is an excerpt from the link below:
Golly, I would think the senators would approve UBI in a heartbeat.
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The tape recordings reveal that just as the commission was beginning its investigation in May 1971, Nixon told his aide H.R. Haldeman, “I want a goddamn strong statement about marijuana. Can I get that out of this sonofa-bitching, uh, domestic council? I mean one on marijuana that just tears the ass out of them.”
Two weeks after making this statement, Nixon was going through his news clippings summary when he said to Haldeman, “Every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob, what is the matter with them? I suppose it’s because most of them are psychiatrists, you know, there’s so many, all the greatest psychiatrists are Jewish. By god, we are going to hit the marijuana thing, and I want to hit it right square in the puss. I want to find a way of putting more on that.”
In a meeting with Shafer on 9 September 1971, Nixon told Shafer “I think there’s a need to come out with a report that is totally oblivious to some obvious differences between marijuana and other drugs, other dangerous drugs… And also that you don’t go into the matter of penalties and that sort of thing, as to whether there should be uniformity in penalties, whether in courts, I’d much rather have uniformity than diversity…
https://greendorphin.com/shafer-commission-report-1972-how-nixon-ramped-war-on-marijuana/
As with cannabis, Nixon had his mind made up before he launched the study hoping to get the result he hoped for. When he got the opposite result I am sure he was a cantankerous and ignorant fart who could not accept facts.
18 Feb 23
@metal-brain saidIt is hilarious that not only do you keep writing about Trump, with all the Biden Hell going on which we will be paying for, should be getting prepared.......You write about Nixon?! and Ike? How far back do you go to shower the Forum with all of this. A history lesson, is it? It is what it is, live with it, move along.
Nixon already had his mind made up about Cannabis. Here is an excerpt from the link below:
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The tape recordings reveal that just as the commission was beginning its investigation in May 1971, Nixon told his aide H.R. Haldeman, “I want a goddamn strong statement ...[text shortened]... ot the opposite result I am sure he was a cantankerous and ignorant fart who could not accept facts.