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09 Jan 23
10 Jan 23
@averagejoe1 saidYou mad at me, are ‘ya?
Micky D was an analogy, and frankly, we can all believe that you didn’t get it.
Secondly, I did not say I was making $5200 a month. Where did I say that? You must be speaking about my Social Security benefit, for which I waited a long time to collect. That is not what I ‘make’. Your socialist mindset has you naturally thinking that when someone gets a check from the gove ...[text shortened]... we can talk personally about each other, who we do not even know. Geez. You mad at me, are ‘ya?
Nope, just caught you in another lie, that's all. Sorry if the truth hurts! 😢
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10 Jan 23
@athousandyoung saidMickey D's is either a first job for teens or a last job for retired adults with time on their hands.
No I see elderly people working at McD’s
12 Jan 23
@averagejoe1 saidNo, I'm talking wretched old people who have no savings or family and don't want to be homeless so they are wiping down tables with their gnarled arthritic hands bent over due to their bad backs
Older retirees, etc. Maybe participating owners? Maybe those who are working towards management positions. Any company grooms possible movers and shakers, who start at the very bottom to see and learn the entire business. How about a single person with no family that is not interested in anything, but making enough money together with a second job to live comfortably. I ...[text shortened]... bout it? They have to build a foundation. Write me a PM if you’d like for me to go into more detail.
12 Jan 23
@jj-adams saidThe average age of a worker there is 24 with 51% being 20-30 years of age and another 19% being older than 30. https://www.zippia.com/mcdonalds-crew-member-jobs/demographics/
Mickey D's is either a first job for teens or a last job for retired adults with time on their hands.
@jj-adams saidThe Democratic proposals all add benefits to the average retiree and raise taxes on higher earners.
Funny how the Dems accused Trump of wanting to change Social Security when it was what they were planning to do all along.
Accusing others of what they are doing is a common Dem/Liberal tactic.
Right wing proposals go the other way. Here's a start:
"The Republican Study Committee proposed a budget for fiscal 2023 that would gradually increase the eligibility ages for Social Security and Medicare, and change the Social Security benefit formula for people 54 and younger, while not changing it for people closer to receiving benefits."
https://news.yahoo.com/republicans-signal-cuts-social-security-175927429.html
And:
"The goal of this new tax system would be to utterly abolish several forms of taxes, including both personal and corporate income taxes, gift taxes, payroll taxes and death taxes. Rather, it would all be replaced with a single national sales tax."
https://www.jpost.com/american-politics/article-728252
Kinda of a big difference.
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12 Jan 23
@athousandyoung saidYou got any savings yet?
No, I'm talking wretched old people who have no savings or family and don't want to be homeless so they are wiping down tables with their gnarled arthritic hands bent over due to their bad backs
@athousandyoung saidI miss your point, I myself have carpel tunnel syndrome in my wrists, could not wipe tables, we all have ailments. Secondly, Micky D a perfect job for someone who does not want to be homeless. $15/hr works out to $30K.
No, I'm talking wretched old people who have no savings or family and don't want to be homeless so they are wiping down tables with their gnarled arthritic hands bent over due to their bad backs
The 'wretched old people' comment is to elicit a response from us, who think that people choose their path in life. You say it like it is someone else's fault, or maybe, like it is a govt problem.
I'll bite. If they are a part of the 40M destitute, I myself, think our govt should support them. We are on the same page!!
12 Jan 23
@no1marauder saidOK. First, it is a PERFECT place for our high school kids to work, like Chicfila. Some even have college funds. You can delve into other employees, there for whatever reasons, they have selected that job out of the 10 Million jobs available. I cannot imagine sitting here and going over the reasons for each applicant. I just can't.
The average age of a worker there is 24 with 51% being 20-30 years of age and another 19% being older than 30. https://www.zippia.com/mcdonalds-crew-member-jobs/demographics/
12 Jan 23
@jj-adams saidJJ, are you suggesting 'choice', to decide to plan for your future by choosing to have a nest egg, investments, etc? You will confuse these libs, they are betting on 'the come', they are betting on the govt to cover them later. Frankly, that may indeed happen. They are slowly winning.
You got any savings yet?
@no1marauder saidYes. Though they are 65, and they have good productive years left to build up their income, supplement their SS.....like working at Micky D's.
The average Social Security Retirement benefit for a retired worker is $1677. 52 or barely over $20,000 a year. https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/quickfacts/stat_snapshot/
Seriously, if they have not prepared for their future, and have counted only on the SS benefit, having no other savings, then they have made bad choices.
So, what is the issue? His failure to plan for the future, like you and I are doing? Or is it that, since he did not, that the govt should step in here, since he made bad choices?
What is the issue?
14 Jan 23
@averagejoe1 saidSome people at 65 "have good productive years left to build up their income" but many don't.
Yes. Though they are 65, and they have good productive years left to build up their income, supplement their SS.....like working at Micky D's.
Seriously, if they have not prepared for their future, and have counted only on the SS benefit, having no other savings, then they have made bad choices.
So, what is the issue? His failure to plan for the future, like yo ...[text shortened]... nce he did not, that the govt should step in here, since he made bad choices?
What is the issue?
Social Security, which right wingers like yourself opposed from the start, has been incredibly successful at achieving its primary goal at its inception i.e. reducing elderly poverty:
"Most people aged 65 and older receive the majority of their income from Social Security.[1] Without Social Security benefits, 37.8 percent of older adults would have incomes below the official poverty line, all else being equal; with Social Security benefits, only 9.0 percent do. (See Figure 1.) The benefits lift 16.1 million older adults above the poverty line, these estimates show."
https://www.cbpp.org/research/social-security/[WORD TOO LONG].
The government has already "stepped in" as you call it by creating the Social Security program in the first place. Right wing attempts to destroy it or reduce benefits are extremely politically unpopular, as is most of the right's economic agenda - which is geared to further aiding the rich and punishing working families. We've been through essentially 40 years of neoconservative economic policies with the result that real wages for the top 10% have risen by 41.3% while that of workers in the 50th percentile have only grown by 8.8% and that in the bottom 10th percentile by 6.5% (Men in those last two groups have actually seen their real wages fall). https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/R45090.pdf p. 4
Needless to say, the present Social Security benefit, while sufficient to raise many out of poverty, is clearly inadequate to replace worker earnings. Democratic plans seek to raise benefits to more reasonable levels while raising the revenue from the group that have benefited so disproportionately from US economic policies over the last 40 years. It's hardly about "choices"; one's economic choices are severely constrained under capitalism esp. the type of capitalism that has prevailed in this country for decades which has favored the rich even more than usual. Another factoid is that productivity has increased almost 4 times faster than wages over that 40 year period, meaning that owners have received the bulk of the benefits from increased worker productivity. https://www.epi.org/blog/[WORD TOO LONG]/
So increased taxes on the wealthy to fund a modest increase in Social Security benefits is an appropriate response to changed conditions.
14 Jan 23
@no1marauder saidHow much increase? Hannity, Tucker er al always ask that question, for all the world to see, but their guests never answer.
Some people at 65 "have good productive years left to build up their income" but many don't.
Social Security, which right wingers like yourself opposed from the start, has been incredibly successful at achieving its primary goal at its inception i.e. reducing elderly poverty:
"Most people aged 65 and older receive the majority of their income from Social Security.[1 ...[text shortened]... fund a modest increase in Social Security benefits is an appropriate response to changed conditions.