Health care...doubtful

Originally posted by rwingett
I have the sovereign right to access free health care without relying on the permission of others to do so.

How's that?

Of course, in the future if they pass the fairness doctrine you will have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.

Originally posted by rwingett
I have the sovereign right to access free health care without relying on the permission of others to do so.

How's that?

You don't, that is my point. You have as much trouble with the word 'free' as you do 'right'. Universal health care is neither 'free' nor a 'right'.

Originally posted by whodey
Of course, in the future if they pass the fairness doctrine you will have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.

What's the fairness doctrine?

"Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law".

It already can.

Originally posted by daniel58
What's the fairness doctrine?

"Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law".

It already can.

*sigh*

:'(

Originally posted by daniel58
What's the fairness doctrine?

"Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law".

It already can.

It is an attempt to restrict free speech in the media. I heard one Senator compare it to censoring obscenity. Basically it would force anyone who have an opinion, to provide a counter arguement as well, otherwise they would not be free to say what they think.

Really all conservatives have now are conservative voices in the media. I suppose they figure that if they are able to silence them, they can eliminate conservative thought once and for all.

Originally posted by utherpendragon
health care is a commodity not a right.

true.

but woudn't it be nice if america followed what other industrial countries did, and finally established universal healthcare?

They don't have to run the industry, they just have to offer an option for those who can't afford, and have family members who might die because their health insurance won't cover "pre-existing conditions", or those who just need a simple operation but can't afford it, etc etc.

The current system isn't working, so why insist on blocking reform?

Originally posted by generalissimo
true.

but woudn't it be nice if america followed what other industrial countries did, and finally established universal healthcare?

They don't have to run the industry, they just have to offer an option for those who can't afford, and have family members who might die because their health insurance won't cover "pre-existing conditions", or those ...[text shortened]... ford it, etc etc.

The current system isn't working, so why insist on blocking reform?

That's what it's like in Canada but many die over there from waiting so long, like waiting out in the hall on a table for 45 minutes, doesn't sound that great too me.

Originally posted by generalissimo
true.

but woudn't it be nice if america followed what other industrial countries did, and finally established universal healthcare?

They don't have to run the industry, they just have to offer an option for those who can't afford, and have family members who might die because their health insurance won't cover "pre-existing conditions", or those ...[text shortened]... ford it, etc etc.

The current system isn't working, so why insist on blocking reform?

we already have medicaid and medicare

Originally posted by daniel58
I'm saying if we make everything universal that will help him.

Explain.

Originally posted by daniel58
That's what it's like in Canada but many die over there from waiting so long, like waiting out in the hall on a table for 45 minutes, doesn't sound that great too me.

no system is perfect, but it would be a great improvement.

Originally posted by utherpendragon
we already have medicaid and medicare

Perhaps if we put these words in bold letters and underline them they might get it?

Originally posted by generalissimo
no system is perfect, but it would be a great improvement.

No it wouldn't I don't want to die because if I have healthcare now then I'll get seen but if everybody's on the same level I probably won't.

Originally posted by daniel58
That's what it's like in Canada but many die over there from waiting so long, like waiting out in the hall on a table for 45 minutes, doesn't sound that great too me.

Do you have any actual data concerning the quality of health care in Canada, instead of just anecdotes?

The average Canadian lives two years longer than the average American. Oh, and Canadian health care is also a lot cheaper.

Originally posted by daniel58
No it wouldn't I don't want to die because if I have healthcare now then I'll get seen but if everybody's on the same level I probably won't.

nobody is saying you have to have the government running the whole industry. Im just saying that there should be an option for those at the bottom.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
Do you have any actual data concerning the quality of health care in Canada, instead of just anecdotes?

The average Canadian lives two years longer than the average American. Oh, and Canadian health care is also a lot cheaper.

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