Henk Staghouwer resigns

@shavixmir said
No. The Dutch people had nothing to do with it.

You said he was forced to resign because he was embarrassing them. If the Dutch people had nothing to do with it why would the kabinet care about what they think?

Whether it be direct or indirect the Dutch people obviously had an influence on his resigning. If you are concerned Henk is making you look bad you must care what the people think. If you care what the people think they must be having an influence on Henk resigning. This is just common sense.

Why are you disregarding common sense? Is the Dutch news media propagandizing you into thinking the public likes crazy Henk and wanted him to stay? Are they telling you that the only farmers that protested were rich farmers too? That is what shallow doo thinks.

The Dutch people hate farmers. Is that what you think? Only rich farmers will be forced to sell their land and poor farmers could care less. Is that accurate?

@metal-brain said
You said he was forced to resign because he was embarrassing them. If the Dutch people had nothing to do with it why would the kabinet care about what they think?

Whether it be direct or indirect the Dutch people obviously had an influence on his resigning. If you are concerned Henk is making you look bad you must care what the people think. If you care what the people ...[text shortened]... y rich farmers will be forced to sell their land and poor farmers could care less. Is that accurate?

I can care about what people think of me being nude, the fact that I wear underpants has nothing to do with them forcing me to.

Now, if you REALLY, want to get into the Dutch situation and what’s really going on, you have to understand EU regulations and directives on both farming subsidies and environmental issues.
You have to understand the housing shortage in the Netherlands, nitrogen compounds and local law, national law and treaties on monuments and parks.

You have to comprehend the balancing act of personal interests, long term environmental interests, social interests and international interests.

You have to take into account (recent) Dutch history, for example the closing of the mines in Limburg, the social and economic problems on communities because of those things and which lessons were learned.

Now, if that’s a debate you’re up for, sure, I’ll have it with you.
But if the level of debate is “Dutch people force politician to resign” , I’ll pass.
Because what the Dutch people want is complicated and the resigning of that politician has nothing to do with it (whether or not a couple of farmers are glad that he did or not).

@metal-brain said
Tell me who forced him to resign and why.
Is there something about him resigning you don't want people to know? Like why?

No and no.

Really. You know nothing about this. You're starting from a position of complete ignorance, swallow a whole load of ridiculous propaganda, and now expect me to explain why your conspiracy theories about my country are correct.

No.

You're wrong from the start; you ask for answers to questions which have no answers because they start from misinformation.

@metal-brain said
You said he was forced to resign

No, he didn't.

Again: You Can Not Get To The Truth From There.

@shavixmir said
Oh, he very much was forced to resign, but not by the Dutch people.

Politicians hardly care what the people want.

Shallow claims you never said what you said.
Why did politicians force Henk to resign?

@shavixmir said
I can care about what people think of me being nude, the fact that I wear underpants has nothing to do with them forcing me to.

Now, if you REALLY, want to get into the Dutch situation and what’s really going on, you have to understand EU regulations and directives on both farming subsidies and environmental issues.
You have to understand the housing shortage in the Net ...[text shortened]... litician has nothing to do with it (whether or not a couple of farmers are glad that he did or not).

Explain it to me. I am a fast learner.

@metal-brain said
Shallow claims you never said what you said.

Please do not lie about me.

I claim Shav never said what you claim he said, not what he actually did say.

In other words, I claim you lie, not he.

@metal-brain said
Explain it to me. I am a fast learner.

That's the funniest thing you've ever posted here.

@shallow-blue said
Please do not lie about me.

I claim Shav never said what you claim he said, not what he actually did say.

In other words, I claim you lie, not he.

You are the liar. Here is shav's quote:

"Oh, he very much was forced to resign, but not by the Dutch people."

Perhaps you two should be debating since you are both contradicting each other.

@metal-brain said
Perhaps you two should be debating since you are both contradicting each other.

Perhaps you should be reading, since you are contradicting yourself so much.

@shallow-blue said
Perhaps you should be reading, since you are contradicting yourself so much.

You are good at pretending to answer questions and explaining absolutely nothing.

@metal-brain said
Explain it to me. I am a fast learner.

No. No you are not.

You pick up madhatter theories, believe them to be true, and when people tell you you’re wrong, you ask questions based on fantasy or which are very easily researched.

Take this instance.
You have heard something about Dutch farmers and a minister resigning. It fits into the MAGA narrative of supporting extreme right-wing groups in Europe (Forum for Democratie in this case) and you end up trying to tell people who actually live in the Netherlands that they’re wrong and that your obscure right-wing sources are right.

In Dutch we say: “Doe normaal mafketel! Je bent echt wel dommer dan de achterend van een trump.”

@shavixmir said
No. No you are not.

You pick up madhatter theories, believe them to be true, and when people tell you you’re wrong, you ask questions based on fantasy or which are very easily researched.

Take this instance.
You have heard something about Dutch farmers and a minister resigning. It fits into the MAGA narrative of supporting extreme right-wing groups in Europe (Forum ...[text shortened]...

In Dutch we say: “Doe normaal mafketel! Je bent echt wel dommer dan de achterend van een trump.”

A dutch farmer:

https://globalwalkout.com/step-2/

@shavixmir said
No. No you are not.

You pick up madhatter theories, believe them to be true, and when people tell you you’re wrong, you ask questions based on fantasy or which are very easily researched.

Take this instance.
You have heard something about Dutch farmers and a minister resigning. It fits into the MAGA narrative of supporting extreme right-wing groups in Europe (Forum ...[text shortened]...

In Dutch we say: “Doe normaal mafketel! Je bent echt wel dommer dan de achterend van een trump.”

You are not explaining anything.

Why do you keep digressing into irrelevant crap to evade explaining anything? I am not asking you to explain the meaning of life or anything like that.

Why did politicians force Henk to resign?
You like Henk and don't want to admit he lost support of the people.

Prime Minister Mark Rutte recently called the protests "life-threatening", yet there is a groundswell of support. When will Rutte resign? His people do not like him.

@metal-brain said
You are not explaining anything.

Why do you keep digressing into irrelevant crap to evade explaining anything? I am not asking you to explain the meaning of life or anything like that.

Why did politicians force Henk to resign?

It has been explained to you.

But, here, especially for you, a simplified version:
- if you change society too radically, too fast, it creates problems in society which are difficult to manage
- the EU wants less nitrogen compounds for environmental reasons
- because of a housing shortage, there’s no viable solution in that area
- farming is one of the largest contributers to nitrogen compounds.
- this minister wanted a radical change without offering alternatives
- various political parties told him this
- he resigned.

And that’s that.

Yes. The farmers didn’t like his letter either. And most Dutch people supported the farmers on this issue. But then the farmers crawled into bed with the extreme right and hoed themselves in their feet, losing public support.
And the Dutch public does see the problem with nitrogen compounds. They do want changes. They don’t want radical changes and they don’t like absurd aggressive behaviour. The Dutch like sensible, long-term solutions (speaking generalistically).

But Staghouwer resigned, not because of retarded farmer protests, but because his solution to the crisis was below par and other political parties didn’t like his ideas, the speed and the lack of alternatives.

Edit:
- I don’t like any politicians.
- the farmer protests went way too far. Even their unions say so. But they joined with the extreme-right. And lost public support.
- Mark Rutte is a slippery eel with recollection problems.