Hey Shav

@vivify said
Thanks for your response.

Although, I wasn't asking about opinions on conservatives because I think I have a decent grasp of what most non-Americans think of them. I was asking your opinion on U.S. liberals. Conservatives get a lot of spot light in America and it don't see much discussion on U.S. liberals.

I thought it would be eye-opening to see what other cultures th ...[text shortened]... k of U.S. liberals, and hopefully learn something, perhaps also become better people in the process.

Coming from NZ culture, although I think of myself as a citizen of the world, we see US liberals as one step away from full blown commies.

@wajoma said
Coming from NZ culture, although I think of myself as a citizen of the world, we see US liberals as one step away from full blown commies.

How so? Other non-American posters have said U.S. leftists would be considered right-wing in their countries.

@shavixmir said

What you are witnessing in the US today is the breakdown of a society; on display for all to see.
And you and your children will have to reset it.

This makes me wonder, people blame trump for the breakdown but I suspect that he is rather a product of the breakdown. It started well before him.
I feel that you are right though inasmuch as there is a societal breakdown but this is a bit more widespread than just America.
I think that the rise of the " left " is causing fightback.

@wajoma said
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@jimmac said
This makes me wonder, people blame trump for the breakdown but I suspect that he is rather a product of the breakdown. It started well before him.
I feel that you are right though inasmuch as there is a societal breakdown but this is a bit more widespread than just America.
I think that the rise of the " left " is causing fightback.

I totally agree that trump is a product, not the cause.
However, the product in this case is also a catalyst. His behaviour is accelerating the situation.

I’m not sure I understand your “rise of the left” comment.
Where is this “left” rising and in which form?

@vivify said
Thanks for your response.

Although, I wasn't asking about opinions on conservatives because I think I have a decent grasp of what most non-Americans think of them. I was asking your opinion on U.S. liberals. Conservatives get a lot of spot light in America and it don't see much discussion on U.S. liberals.

I thought it would be eye-opening to see what other cultures th ...[text shortened]... k of U.S. liberals, and hopefully learn something, perhaps also become better people in the process.

I have a neutral view of U.S. liberals. Anyway, I'm not sure whether you would count supporters of e.g. Amy Klobuchar and Bernie Sanders as both being "liberal" simply because they are the on broadly the same side in the American effective political dichotomy. Their *average* beliefs are too relatively uncontroversial/common and the group is too large for me to justify having an opinion about such a diverse group of people (non-political factors also influence my opinion of people). I think that defining yourself as a particular affiliation is much more common in America than in other countries, perhaps because there are only two options. If I lived in America, I think I would be far more reactive to what has happened over the last few years than I have been.

I thought it would be eye-opening to see what other cultures think of U.S. liberals, and hopefully learn something, perhaps also become better people in the process.

I'm not one who would wish to lecture you - I think there is enough of that in this forum and in the world. I think that it's easy to jump on the bandwagon and bash America completely because of Trump and that there is almost a stigma associated with being fond of it, yet all the sceptical people I know who have gone and *lived* there have said that it has many flaws, but that it is a great country. I have discussed it several times with an aunt of mine who lived in America for over a decade and earned several degrees from a Northeastern university. She told me:

1. Americans are hard-working.
2. They are fair in that they value performance, and will continue to give you opportunities if you deliver. As a hard-worker and someone who for various reasons was determined to make her own way in the world separate from the one of her upbringing, this was refreshing. Elon Musk said the following which I think sums up my feelings (despite all of its flaws):

"I remember thinking and seeing that America is where great things are possible, more than any other country in the world."

If I think about it, I could not imagine Elon Musk building Tesla or SpaceX into what they are today anywhere else - the societies are either too old-world or lacking in capital.

If I could give you one piece of advice to help your country: Please treat the Native Americans better - they have been through the most horrific genocide. Do more to help them escape their poor circumstances and respect their cultures. Without thinking that you must leave or that you are foreign, do not take your home for granted. I say that as someone who has lived in both North and South America.

@wajoma said
Coming from NZ culture, although I think of myself as a citizen of the world, we see US liberals as one step away from full blown commies.

Seriously your claiming to be the kiwi everyman who is so right wing he thinks the average US liberal is left wing enough to be teetering on the edge of communism?