@metal-brain saidReally?
This is not just about a jaw. The skull the Russians had was female. Was the jaw and the skull together or separate when recovered?
This is a very simple question and a very reasonable one.
Why the damn mix up? Explain this instead of evading the obvious.
All eye witness accounts claim the bodies of Hitler and Braun were dumped in a single, hasty grave, doused in petrol and set alight.
Not only that, but weren’t Goebbels and his wife burnt the same way? In the same garden area?
And there were dead kids as well.
There were people fleeing, being shot, getting raped and burning all over the bloody city. One might even call the situation chaotic…
The Russians stumbled over newly dug graves. Exhumed body (parts) and tested them. One such body part was Hitler’s jaw.
Do you comprehend where the bunker was? And what sort of fighting was taking place around that area the last few days?
Watch the German movie: The Downfall (Der Untergang).
It’s based on eye witness accounts.
@shavixmir saidWhat is your source of information?
Really?
All eye witness accounts claim the bodies of Hitler and Braun were dumped in a single, hasty grave, doused in petrol and set alight.
Not only that, but weren’t Goebbels and his wife burnt the same way? In the same garden area?
And there were dead kids as well.
There were people fleeing, being shot, getting raped and burning all over the bloody city. One migh ...[text shortened]... days?
Watch the German movie: The Downfall (Der Untergang).
It’s based on eye witness accounts.
You still have not explained why the Russians had the wrong skull. Was it Eva Braun's skull?
https://abcnews.go.com/WN/hitler-skull-russian-secret-service-custody/story?id=9288287
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/sep/27/adolf-hitler-suicide-skull-fragment
08 May 22
@metal-brain saidMarauder already posted various links.
What is your source of information?
You still have not explained why the Russians had the wrong skull. Was it Eva Braun's skull?
https://abcnews.go.com/WN/hitler-skull-russian-secret-service-custody/story?id=9288287
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/sep/27/adolf-hitler-suicide-skull-fragment
09 May 22
@metal-brain saidI have not been able to find Bellantoni’s paper describing his methods and results. Do you know how I can find it?
So did I.
Whose skull was it? It was female.
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09 May 22
@metal-brain saidThere is no 'it'. There was 'those'. There wasn't a skull, there were parts of several. One was female, and wasn't Hitler's. Another was proven by dental records to be Hitler's. Neither was complete. There were probably fragments of several others.
So did I.
Whose skull was it? It was female.
If any of this sounds suspicious to you, you badly need to visit a war zone and experience some heavy shelling first-hand.
09 May 22
@shallow-blue said" There wasn't a skull, there were parts of several."
There is no 'it'. There was 'those'. There wasn't a skull, there were parts of several. One was female, and wasn't Hitler's. Another was proven by dental records to be Hitler's. Neither was complete. There were probably fragments of several others.
If any of this sounds suspicious to you, you badly need to visit a war zone and experience some heavy shelling first-hand.
What is your source of information?
09 May 22
@athousandyoung saidNo, I don't.
I have not been able to find Bellantoni’s paper describing his methods and results. Do you know how I can find it?
10 May 22
@Metal-Brain
So flipping what? What does it matter now? You think maybe he escaped to Argentina and fostered a bunch of baby Nazi's? AH, maybe those babies grew up to be Nazi's inside of Ukraine and THAT is what your buddy Putin attacked.
10 May 22
@sonhouse saidThis is about when and where he died.
@Metal-Brain
So flipping what? What does it matter now? You think maybe he escaped to Argentina and fostered a bunch of baby Nazi's? AH, maybe those babies grew up to be Nazi's inside of Ukraine and THAT is what your buddy Putin attacked.
10 May 22
@shallow-blue saidWas it Eva Braun's?
There is no 'it'. There was 'those'. There wasn't a skull, there were parts of several. One was female, and wasn't Hitler's. Another was proven by dental records to be Hitler's. Neither was complete. There were probably fragments of several others.
If any of this sounds suspicious to you, you badly need to visit a war zone and experience some heavy shelling first-hand.
They cremated the evidence. There are no bones to examine and test anymore. Why do you think they destroyed the evidence? To fuel conspiracy theories?
@metal-brain saidWW2
" There wasn't a skull, there were parts of several."
What is your source of information?
Okay. One time only:
The garden around the bunker was constantly bombed for days. So, remains of of people in shallow graves or not were scattered all over:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Adolf_Hitler
On 4 May, dental remains later identified as a match with Hitler's and Braun's were sifted from the soil.[5][6][75] These remains, along with those of two dogs (thought to be Blondi and her offspring, Wulf), were removed the following day[s] and secretly delivered to SMERSH in Buch.[76][77] Stalin was wary of believing Hitler was dead, and restricted the release of information to the public.[78][79] By 11 May, dental assistant Käthe Heusermann and dental technician Fritz Echtmann, both of whom had been employed by Hitler's dentist Hugo Blaschke,[t] identified the dental remains of Hitler and Braun.[80][81][g] Both later spent years in Soviet prisons.[82] An alleged Soviet autopsy of Hitler made public in 1968 was used by forensic odontologists Reidar F. Sognnaes and Ferdinand Strøm to confirm the dental remains as Hitler's in 1972.[83] In 2017, French forensic pathologist Philippe Charlier also found the dental remains in the Soviet archives, including teeth on a jawbone fragment, to be in "perfect agreement" with X-rays taken of Hitler in 1944.[84] Charlier used electron microscopy to examine the tartar, which contained only plant fibres, a detail consistent with Hitler's vegetarianism.[85] A 2018 paper co-authored by Charlier concludes that these remains "cannot be a fake", citing their significant wear.[74] No gunpowder residue was detected, indicating that Hitler did not die by a gunshot wound through the mouth.[86][i]
The links referred to:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/325220862_The_remains_of_Adolf_Hitler_A_biomedical_analysis_and_definitive_identification and specifially pages: pp. 224, 273–274
https://archive.org/details/hitlersdeathruss0000vino
But, seriously, any real research into the topic and you’ll realise that what you’re spouting is claptrap.
Eye witness accounts (from his secretary, for example) all correspond to the evidence found (hence I invited you to watch Der Untergang).
Hitler was completely unhinged in his final days. He was also convinced by Goebbels that an heroic last stand was best. And he was “paranoid” about being caught and put on trial.
The man cowered out. End of.
10 May 22
@athousandyoung saidI don't know if he wrote a paper about it, but you can read an interview transcript with him. He did say he thinks they had Hitler's jaw bone, but admitted he never saw the dental records. He probably thinks it was Eva's. Even a Russian government official said nobody claimed that was Hitler's skull so apparently they think it is a mix up. But why didn't they have all the skull fragments so they would have at least some from Hitler? The more you find out the more questions come up.
I have not been able to find Bellantoni’s paper describing his methods and results. Do you know how I can find it?
https://1on1candidconversations.blogspot.com/2009/12/candid-conversation-about-hitler-skull.html
10 May 22
@shavixmir saidThis article says it was a skull fragment, but how many were there and why didn't they test them all?
WW2
https://abcnews.go.com/WN/hitler-skull-russian-secret-service-custody/story?id=9288287