29 May 10
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Originally posted by whodeyFor the same reason we don't have coed shower facilities at Gold's Gym. Again note; we do NOT have separate "gay" shower facilities in these very common public places and nobody complains.
But why not coed rooms? It seems to me that the same delimma is present with gays.
As I have said, I disagree with there not being a ban on "humping"
BTW, if people are going to hump they're going to hump. Giving them separate rooms does nothing to stop it.
30 May 10
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Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperI asked earlier why you said that most around you in the service oppose allowing gays in the service but I never got an answer. Is it because they are homophobes? If so, does this present a problem? Do you think a homophobe at Gold's Gyme would choose to shower with a homosexual? In fact, what if they are not a homophobe, rather, they simply are uncomfortable with people potentially looking at them in a lustful manner.
For the same reason we don't have coed shower facilities at Gold's Gym. Again note; we do NOT have separate "gay" shower facilities in these very common public places and nobody complains.
BTW, if people are going to hump they're going to hump. Giving them separate rooms does nothing to stop it.
30 May 10
Originally posted by whodeyI didn't see that you asked me that.
I asked earlier why you said that most around you in the service oppose allowing gays in the service but I never got an answer. Is it because they are homophobes? If so, does this present a problem? Do you think a homophobe at Gold's Gyme would choose to shower with a homosexual? In fact, what if they are not a homophobe, rather, they simply are uncomfortable with people potentially looking at them in a lustful manner.
Often I just get some incoherent emotional response like, "I don't want to work with some homo." If I do get an actual reason it typically amounts to something like showering with gays. But here's the thing, if someone goes to the gym, looks around and worries about who might be gay there's something wrong with them. By laws of math anyone who uses any public shower facility is also showering with gays. But nobody freaks out about it, even staunch homophobes.
This is why I think most of the time we're getting smokescreen reasons. In society it is extremely important for men to maintain their image of virility. This is especially true in an alpha male dominated organization like the US military. I'm with an airborne infantry brigade, and I'm willing to bet gays are more accepted in other corners of the military. A group of infantry paratroopers are more concerned with maintaining their tough guy image. I think they get images in their mind of the 82nd becoming overrun with ultra flamers wearing assless chaps running down Bragg blvd.
Simply put, I think the real problem they have is they feel gays threaten the manliness of their organization, and thus, themselves.
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30 May 10
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperMy brother served in a unit in Vietnam that included several branches of the military. The work was extremely dangerous and as a consequence any individual failure put the whole unit at risk. He told me they once received a replacement who had one leg longer than the other. The candidate was required to race the fastest guy in the outfit to assure everyone that his uniqueness would not cause a problem. He won the race so the discussion was over.
I didn't see that you asked me that.
Often I just get some incoherent emotional response like, "I don't want to work with some homo." If I do get an actual reason it typically amounts to something like showering with gays. But here's the thing, if someone goes to the gym, looks around and worries about who might be gay there's something wrong ...[text shortened]... e is they feel gays threaten the manliness of their organization, and thus, themselves.
31 May 10
Originally posted by TerrierJackReminds me of Barry Goldwater's comment: "You don't have to be straight to serve in the military; you just have to be able to shoot straight."
My brother served in a unit in Vietnam that included several branches of the military. The work was extremely dangerous and as a consequence any individual failure put the whole unit at risk. He told me they once received a replacement who had one leg longer than the other. The candidate was required to race the fastest guy in the outfit to assure everyone that his uniqueness would not cause a problem. He won the race so the discussion was over.
He also, as I recall, pointed out that gays have served honourably in the military since the days of Julius Caesar.