04 Dec 08
Originally posted by whodeyReplace "health care" by "police protection" in your post to see why you're missing the mark. And before you claim police protection can't be produced in the free market - yes, it can, and it won't be cheaper than your current socialized form of crime fighting.
My position is, health care, like any other industry, is driven by supply and demand. If no one can afford it they won't be able to make money so they MUST drive down the costs or find another line of work. However, like with other industries, if Big Brother sticks its nose in and "bails" you out, this sends the whole supply and demand model askew. For exa ...[text shortened]... to a greater degree and, in addition, perhaps the costs will decrease naturally on their own.
05 Dec 08
Originally posted by KazetNagorraAren't security guards a privatised form of police protection?
Replace "health care" by "police protection" in your post to see why you're missing the mark. And before you claim police protection can't be produced in the free market - yes, it can, and it won't be cheaper than your current socialized form of crime fighting.
05 Dec 08
Originally posted by PinkFloydWalk into any hospital in need of care and just try to let them refuse you. The worst that could happen is that they bill you for the rest of your life. In the end, if you don't pay the costs will be passed to others just as with universal care.
The argument that we already have universal coverage thru Medicare/Medicaid is rubbish. What if you aren't 62 years old? Nor drawing disability, but you don't have a job? Those people aren't on Medi-anything. So, where is their "universal health care"?
05 Dec 08
Originally posted by KazetNagorraIf a police force had the potential of bankrupting the nation like health care does I would be harping about that as well. The bottom line is that people need to stop living beyond their means. That is why the US is in the situation it is now.
Replace "health care" by "police protection" in your post to see why you're missing the mark. And before you claim police protection can't be produced in the free market - yes, it can, and it won't be cheaper than your current socialized form of crime fighting.
05 Dec 08
Originally posted by whodeyThat applies only to emergency care has you have been informed several times.
Walk into any hospital in need of care and just try to let them refuse you. The worst that could happen is that they bill you for the rest of your life. In the end, if you don't pay the costs will be passed to others just as with universal care.
05 Dec 08
Originally posted by whodeyOr people need to stop living at all in WhodeyLand.
If a police force had the potential of bankrupting the nation like health care does I would be harping about that as well. The bottom line is that people need to stop living beyond their means. That is why the US is in the situation it is now.
05 Dec 08
Originally posted by mrstabbyNo, security guards don't have the same authority as police officers. You could privatise police protection, people could hire cops (or take an insurance) for solving crimes they had been a victim of, and cops would be subject to the same rules as they are now. The result would be the same as in the US health care system - the poor would miss out and the costs would rise.
Aren't security guards a privatised form of police protection?
05 Dec 08
Originally posted by KazetNagorraThe point is the same! If both are a RIGHT, as you say, then if healthcare will be provided, sane or insane, wanted or unwanted, then if we follow your argument, the government should provided all of us with gun's as well as healthcare.
Not everyone wants a gun. Every sane person wants health care. (I also oppose the right to bear arms but that's beside the point)
05 Dec 08
Originally posted by Dace AceI'm not saying that because health care is a "right", the government should provide it. I think the government should provide it because it's the most efficient method for providing health care to citizens.
The point is the same! If both are a RIGHT, as you say, then if healthcare will be provided, sane or insane, wanted or unwanted, then if we follow your argument, the government should provided all of us with gun's as well as healthcare.
05 Dec 08
Originally posted by KazetNagorraWhoaaa, there! You used the words "government" & "efficient" in the same sentence! Can you give me an example of anything that the government runs that is efficient?
I'm not saying that because health care is a "right", the government should provide it. I think the government should provide it because it's the most efficient method for providing health care to citizens.