13 Dec 05
Originally posted by ChakanWell, besides the fact that I am actually opposed to the death penalty, I can only presume that:
Think about the reason you are probably on death row.
You are saying they would be killing you, then again you probably on death row for killing someone else. So you get to kill them for killing you surely they get to kill you for killing someone else?
a. I'd be innocent
b. I felt justified in having killed whoever I killed.
Equally, if I must suffer for my deeds by having the same done to me, then it is justified for me to wish those exact same deeds done to the people doing them to me.
13 Dec 05
Originally posted by catfoodtimWell, a little.
but shavixmir, this spiral of destruction would wipe us all out.
is that why you are opposed to the death penalty? because it would kill us all eventually?
i propose a deaf penalty: if someone commits a heinous crime, they have hot wax poured in their ears. then no one else needs lose a life.
apart from the person with hot wax inside their heads.
But more so that 100% proof is never possible and mistakes do tend to happen.
13 Dec 05
Originally posted by catfoodtimand also if i frown enough at everyone, someone will sacrifice me to jehovah. and the christians love that carry on.
i took it very literally didnt i?
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though if you ever visit leeds/bradford international airport hold your nose in the corner near gate 6.
just friendly advice.
and also if i frown enough at everyone, someone will sacrifice me to jehovah. and the christians love that carry on.
but i digress: if you (one) is on death row then you (one) ...[text shortened]... ne) go out shav-style then you (one) will die unhappily.
which isnt a nice way to go is it?
Now, that's funny 🙂
which isnt a nice way to go is it?
Well, it depends on whether you want to be remembered or not. Remembered as the whiny little arse one are, or not remembered at all. Surely, no one will remember the one (rightfully convicted) man who didn't say a word.
Just the same, I'd probably just take it like a man and give those whom I feel are treating me injustly the finger. To die, knowing you annoy the hell out of those whom whish you harm is a good way to die. (Me thinks.)
13 Dec 05
Originally posted by shavixmirYes, and even if they are guilty, I think a life-time sentence with only one possibility of release is more civil. Especially if the prisoners are used as slaves to society at large. Then they can be put to good use and we can all enjoy life a little bit more. Should new evidence come into the fact, we can always release them and they can enjoy life too.
Well, a little.
But more so that 100% proof is never possible and mistakes do tend to happen.
Get rid of death penalties all over the world and use the labour force appropriately. We all know, that really, really smart criminals aren't ever caught, so to sentence someone to death is premeditated murder since we can reasonably assume that, because the person were caught, (s)he's not in fact the real killer.
uhm...
13 Dec 05
Originally posted by stockenI tend to disagree with slave labour as well...
Yes, and even if they are guilty, I think a life-time sentence with only one possibility of release is more civil. Especially if the prisoners are used as slaves to society at large. Then they can be put to good use and we can all enjoy life a little bit more. Should new evidence come into the fact, we can always release them and they can enjoy life too.
...[text shortened]... bly assume that, because the person were caught, (s)he's not in fact the real killer.
uhm...
13 Dec 05
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Originally posted by shavixmirAs do I... It was a sort of joke... I'll just be quite now... 😞
I tend to disagree with slave labour as well...
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Although, one could say that the prisoners aren't exactly slaves if put to work. It is assumed, that if a legal court has judged them, they are guilty of a crime and should be punished both to set them straight and to warn off other criminals-to-be, right?
So, putting them to work (within humane working hours) is a good punishment. Everyone hates work. And any criminal will want to avoid it at all cost. So, it stands to reason, that by putting convicts into work for society, everyone is served right and everything is just. You can hardly call it slavery (even though I did) since they will get their own quarters, free meals, good communication possibilities with the surrounding world via Internet and Television, specially designated rooms for practising intercourse and a lot more. Though, they will have to work, which of course is the deterrent factor to all this.
(In Sweden there's a standing joke about this. We actually, literally, treat our elderly worse than our convicted criminals. The elderly are forced to go to bed at 5 or 6 p.m all year round, they're only allowed to go outside when it suites the staff, they're given food that you wouldn't eat unless somebody pushes it down your throat and I can go on. Really, it's true. In swedish prisons, it's more of a hotel if you think about it. So, over here, the deturrent factor is growing old. We don't worry much about death penalty. That would actually be a good thing for those who are becoming of age.)
13 Dec 05
Originally posted by shavixmirI'd give an earfull to all the wardens walking me down.
Would you go out in style and dignity or would you fight, scratch and bite your way into the annals of history?
I think I'd put up an as good a fight as possible. Hell. No way would I let myself be led to my death. I'd fight every bloody inch of the way.
And then when they finally tied me to the table (or whatever they do), I'd spit on people an ...[text shortened]... on them, rape their women and burn their children alive.
I guess, that's just the way I am.
When I got into the viewing room, I'd wait until they strapped me in and raised me up. Then I'd cop a JC on their smug a$$es and say, "I forgive you for you know not what you do." And then I'd add, "Oh yeah, I know where you can find Natalee Holloway, but I suppose you don't really care about that . . ." (roll eyes)
13 Dec 05
Originally posted by sonhouseI never said I would go quitly into the night. I just wouldn't strike at everybody.
Well I am with Shav, I would not go quietly into that cold cold night
of forever. Its too bad the elderly of Sweden are treated worse
than criminals. My daughter in law is from Gothenburg and she
talks about that sometimes.
13 Dec 05
Originally posted by sonhouseYes, it's unfortunate and puzzeling that we have enough resources to take good care of our criminals, but not our elderly. Politicians work in mysterious ways.
Well I am with Shav, I would not go quietly into that cold cold night
of forever. Its too bad the elderly of Sweden are treated worse
than criminals. My daughter in law is from Gothenburg and she
talks about that sometimes.
13 Dec 05
Originally posted by shavixmirSo we're willing to lock a person away, even force slave labor on them, when there's a least a possibility the conviction may be wrong? How inhumane of us.
Well, a little.
But more so that 100% proof is never possible and mistakes do tend to happen.
Instead, why not put the almost guilty in cases and pee on them? That way, at least they can get out of the cases and wash up after we've released our mighty flow of justice.
What of the crimes? How can we prove a woman was raped? A home was burgled? A person was killed? Since we don't know anything 'fer shure,' let's just give up on the whole justice proposition, and I'll be first in line to replenish my now-growing aresenal.