It is now very clear that many countries such as England and U.S.A are a bit concerned about the fact that some imigrants are getting the jobs that many other people want and also aremaybe doing a little bit more!!
And ofcourse we all know the concerns in Texas!
What are your views on imigrants?
Friend, immigrants will keep pouring in their search for a better life for them and their loved ones, as long as the interests of the wealthy are intact.
The battle of the U.S. government (I am much more familiar with the North American case) must be against the employers -As I said before in this forum: The LESS guilty of governmental corruption and stupidity (on both sides of the border) are John Doe and Juan Garcia, the plain U.S. worker and the immigrant.
At least that's my opinion.
Agreed... at least in my opinion, when people move to other country they need to really embrace the new culture with respect, which is not exclusive of keeping their roots.
Just like many Italians, Irish, Chinese and Mexicans [to mention a few examples] do it nowadays in the U.S. Thanks to them there are many parts of the States with great, interesting cultural options (food and music festivals are just a small example)
Originally posted by jareyesThat is a large problem though with the latino immigrants that come. They in no way embrace our culture. Most don't make any effort to learn our language or to integrate in our society.
Agreed... at least in my opinion, when people move to other country they need to really embrace the new culture with respect, which is not exclusive of keeping their roots.
Just like many Italians, Irish, Chinese and Mexicans [to mention a few examples] do it nowadays in the U.S. Thanks to them there are many parts of the States with great, interesting cultural options (food and music festivals are just a small example)
That is kind of a good thing for people like me though. I am studying to become an ESL teacher and am right now working as an interpreter. If the immigrants actually learned our language I wouldn't have a job 🙂
Originally posted by DraxusSorry, mate, but I find this hard to believe... 'most' is a big, big word. I wonder if there's any reliable statistic on this out there?
That is a large problem though with the latino immigrants that come. They in no way embrace our culture. Most don't make any effort to learn our language or to integrate in our society.
P.S. The discussion is immigrants as a generality, not legal or illegal... any immigrant should embrace the new culture, despite their legal status.
Originally posted by Brother EdwinI think the same standards of literacy should apply to current citizens as applies to those applying for citizenship. You and RB would be out in days.
Long as we dont get too much its OK.
Also they need to be intregrated into society not just put on together estates.
Originally posted by Howell123Well, my understanding is that the US economy is in fine shape (according to others on this forum). It seems that the US needs the extra workers. If the immigrants are taking the best jobs, like doctors etc, we should be happy about that too - they're obviously well qualified.
It is now very clear that many countries such as England and U.S.A are a bit concerned about the fact that some imigrants are getting the jobs that many other people want and also aremaybe doing a little bit more!!
And ofcourse we all know the concerns in Texas!
What are your views on imigrants?
Originally posted by jareyesI agree. It is the corporations, who hire illegals because the gov't won't put teeth in the anti-illegal alien hiring act, that are to blame for this whole mess...
Friend, immigrants will keep pouring in their search for a better life for them and their loved ones, as long as the interests of the wealthy are intact.
The battle of the U.S. government (I am much more familiar with the North American case) must be against the employers -As I said before in this forum: The LESS guilty of governmental corruption and stu ...[text shortened]... hn Doe and Juan Garcia, the plain U.S. worker and the immigrant.
At least that's my opinion.
Capitalism is to blame, my young, and some what naieve sounding, friends.
Actually, not capitalism as such, but the centrification of wealth, in our current setting that is capitalism.
You see, people are like water, from a certain point of view...obviously.
Everybody wants the best for their children. If the quality of life in region A is better than in region B, most people will try to flow into region A.
Naturally there are a couple of remedies:
One is the concept of borders. Why are they there? Who put them there? And who's purpose do they serve?
The same goes for patriotism (nationalism). What are people actually patriotic to? A country (a piece of land)? A government (always changing)? A principle (and which principle does not bend over time)?
A second is an equalisation of wealth.
Yes. This means that we (Europe and Northern America) can no longer buy import cheap clothes made in India and Indonesia or cheap toys made in China. This also means that some of the "cheap" things we take for granted will become a lot more expensive.
It will have three consequences:
A. More employment at home, because the multi-nationals make no profit from out-sourcing labour to poorer (and cheaper) countries.
B. Because the economies of the poorer countries will have to be more self-sustaining, instead of servicing the richer countries, the wages their will equalise with ours, they will create goods which they themselves need (not "we" ) and there will be no need to flow to a richer country any more.
C. Capitalism as we know it today will radically change. Capitalism, you see, is based on the fact that equalisation is not stabilisation, but stagnation. So, to stop stagnating, it must constantly grow.
Whilst you've got slaves it is possible. Then when that's not allowed, you need cheap labour. Then when that's no longer allowed, you must find cheap labour abroad. Then when that's no longer allowed...and there are no aliens from Mars to ensnare...
A third thing that dogs the whole immigration (illegal or legal) debate is fear.
Fear of another's culture, fear of change, fear of everything slightly different.
Fear leads to anger my friends, which leads to hatred which, as a wise little green puppet once said, leads to suffering.
Although mainstream media would depict anybody who's not a God fearin' Christian to be detremental to society, I say to thee: 90% of humans are exactly the same! They just want to live in peace and raise their children safely.
The other 10% are divided equally amongst all races, religions and sexes.
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EDIT: A winky appeared out of nowhere...and illegal winky at that! I had to come in and dispose of it like a truck full of evil, sweaty, illegal Mexicans.
EDIT 2: It was a persistent truck load of Mexi...winky, I mean.
Originally posted by shavixmirI agree with you, Shav, for the most part except that we need borders to prevent overflowing of refugees. It's like this: In the Caribbean Sea, we'd come across Haitian boats containing hundreds of migrants. Once the Haitians panicked, they would all go rushing to one side of the boat, tipping it over, sinking it, and thus drowning several 10 to 20 before we could pull them out of the ocean. Borders sort of work like that. The US can't absorb 100,000,000 Mexicans, 5,000,000 Hondurans, 8,000,000 El Salvadorans, 6,000,000 Guatamalans and the countless millions from the rest of Central and South America, not to mention Africa and the middle-east without the "boat being tipped over" and resulting in a catastrophe. I agree that in a perfect world, borders are just an imaginary line that man dictates and draws in the sand. Maybe in time, when the standard of living equals out for ALL countries, we can eliminate borders, but until then, it's just a "pipe dream"...but a good dream nonethelesss
Capitalism is to blame, my young, and some what naieve sounding, friends.
Actually, not capitalism as such, but the centrification of wealth, in our current setting that is capitalism.
You see, people are like water, from a certain point of view...obviously.
Everybody wants the best for their children. If the quality of life in region A is better illegal Mexicans.
EDIT 2: It was a persistent truck load of Mexi...winky, I mean.
Originally posted by chancremechanicexcellent point. (both you and shav)
I agree with you, Shav, for the most part except that we need borders to prevent overflowing of refugees. It's like this: In the Caribbean Sea, we'd come across Haitian boats containing hundreds of migrants. Once the Haitians panicked, they would all go rushing to one side of the boat, tipping it over, thus drowning several 10 to 20 before we coul minate borders, but until then, it's just a "pipe dream"...but a good dream nonethelesss
Originally posted by chancremechanicYou said Hondurans twice. Name another country.
I agree with you, Shav, for the most part except that we need borders to prevent overflowing of refugees. It's like this: In the Caribbean Sea, we'd come across Haitian boats containing hundreds of migrants. Once the Haitians panicked, they would all go rushing to one side of the boat, tipping it over, thus drowning several 10 to 20 before we coul ...[text shortened]... minate borders, but until then, it's just a "pipe dream"...but a good dream nonethelesss