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AThousandYoung
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Originally posted by reinfeld
if one were to reply to this without a political agenda ( namely me ) i would say that there is no class levels in america.

there are divisions. the divisions are cultural. the cultural divisions spring partly from initial settlement of immigrants, followed by the church that congealed over the area and then the response to farm to city movement, fro ...[text shortened]... cultural heritage does. this is not balkanization but rather the free market choice of values.
In my experience your political agenda is quite biased. You're very right wing if I remember correctly.

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Originally posted by wolfgang59
Britain [b]was Ireland, Scotland, wales and England. It was never an English Empire and the smaller nations of Britain have always figured disproportionately large in English history. (e.g. Duke of Wellington)

The nations of the UK joined voluntarily and were never part of an Empire.

The 1707 Act of Union was an agreement between ...[text shortened]... . The oppression was of the lower classes by the upper classes and nothing to do with ethnicity.[/b]
How do you interpret the (southern) Irish demanding and receiving their own nation later on in light of this?

Robbiecarrobie (how do you spell his name?) where are you?

AThousandYoung
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Here's an interesting Wiki article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_the_United_Kingdom

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_the_British_Isles

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Originally posted by AThousandYoung
In my experience your political agenda is quite biased. You're very right wing if I remember correctly.
i have seen the light. now i love everyone just like grampy bobby. you can do whatever you like and to whomever you like and think whatever you like and it is just all hugs from me. you are all such a blessing to my life. ta ta brothers, sisters and comrades. ta ta .

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Originally posted by reinfeld
i have seen the light. now i love everyone just like grampy bobby. you can do whatever you like and to whomever you like and think whatever you like and it is just all hugs from me. you are all such a blessing to my life. ta ta brothers, sisters and comrades. ta ta .
LUV LUV <3

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why tell a lie. i have an oil painting of heinrich over my desk, a map of argentina next to my passport and my boots are polished.

AThousandYoung
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Originally posted by reinfeld
why tell a lie. i have an oil painting of heinrich over my desk, a map of argentina next to my passport and my boots are polished.
And I thought you were someone deserving of two LUVs and a heart. You scoundrel! 😠

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Originally posted by AThousandYoung
And I thought you were someone deserving of two LUVs and a heart. You scoundrel! 😠
that was fast!

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Originally posted by AThousandYoung
How do you interpret the (southern) Irish demanding and receiving their own nation later on in light of this?

Robbiecarrobie (how do you spell his name?) where are you?
The Acts of Union were of course agreed by the rulers of those nations and not necessarily popular at the time. The subsequent devolution of ROI was a popular movement and ethically/religiously based.

We of course still have independence movements and it should be noted that Northern Ireland, Scotland, Isle of Man and Channel Islands have their own laws. The wicked Empire never imposed English Law on them!

If the UK had decided on a capital in Wales or Ireland or Scotland then Anglophobia from the other member nations would probably not have happened.

Decisions by USA and Australia to have their capitals outside of any state are very sound!

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Originally posted by AThousandYoung
How high in the ranks did the Scots and Welsh go? Was there a glass ceiling?
The Tudors (1485 - 1603) were Welsh and the Stuarts (1603- 1707) were Scottish.

How high do you wanna go?

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Originally posted by wolfgang59
Britain [b]was Ireland, Scotland, wales and England. It was never an English Empire and the smaller nations of Britain have always figured disproportionately large in English history. (e.g. Duke of Wellington)

The nations of the UK joined voluntarily and were never part of an Empire.

The 1707 Act of Union was an agreement between ...[text shortened]... . The oppression was of the lower classes by the upper classes and nothing to do with ethnicity.[/b]
Do you find it significant that the Tudors' royal lineage is traced back to Edward III of England?

I like the fact that Tudor is a Welsh name.

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Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Do you find it significant that the Tudors' royal lineage is traced back to Edward III of England?

I like the fact that Tudor is a Welsh name.
Those royals love to trace their ancestry back to something legitimate! Easy when the nobility of different Houses (and different countries) inter-married.

Henry Tudor was therefore 1/8 English? 1/16? 1/2?

Truth of the matter is that the Royal/Noble families of Europe - and probably England in particular - have no nationality. They are just a "Ruling Class" and probably didnt care who they ruled over! For years the English kings spoke only French, then we had Scots and finally a good smattering of German!

Richard the Lionheart hardly spent a moment in England and likewise others.

The next monarch will be 1/2 Greek!! (maybe only 1/4 ?!?!)

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