Is Joe Biden okay?

Originally posted by sh76
He seems to have just from the dentist's office and the laughing gas has yet to wear off. I guess they told him to be fiesty and he took that to mean laugh hysterically every 2 minutes.

By all indications, it worked well for Biden.

Personally, I wasn't impressed with the interrupting, but then I wasn't impressed when Romney did it either. The troops wanted red meat and Biden gave it to them.

Originally posted by vivify
That "I know you have to make up for lost ground" line was killer.

It was a prepared line. My favorite part of the debate was an exchange of prepared lines. Biden gave his description of the people in Romney's 47 percent losers, and then Ryan gave his prepared line "your words don't always come out right either" (paraphrasing) and then Biden came right back with his prepared kicker, "but when I do that I say what I mean, and Governor Romney says what he means." Ryan had no answer, because there is no answer.

Originally posted by Sleepyguy
Finally caught up on C-SPAN. I think Biden was on shrooms. Shrooms that make you a condescending prick or something.

Edit: And I think he lied about not voting for the Iraq/Afghan wars.

He voted against Iraq, but for Afghanistan.

Originally posted by FMF
What did Ryan prove himself to be?

What did Ryan prove himself to be?

Patient and difficult to take off message.

Convinced of his own theories, even if his glasses are a bit rosey.

Originally posted by Kunsoo
By all indications, it worked well for Biden.

Personally, I wasn't impressed with the interrupting, but then I wasn't impressed when Romney did it either. The troops wanted red meat and Biden gave it to them.

I thought Biden won narrowly on substance and I was disappointed in Ryan's lack of ability to spit out oodles of numbers to make his case. I did not see the same Ryan as I've seen at some Congressional hearings.

Still, Biden's hysterics and rudeness could not have played well to anyone but the converted. He sounded okay, but he looked like a buffoon.

Originally posted by Eladar
What did Ryan prove himself to be?

Patient and difficult to take off message.

Convinced of his own theories, even if his glasses are a bit rosey.

And polite.

Originally posted by Sleepyguy
And polite.

Well as long as he was "polite". It would be such a horrible thing to have a VP who was once rude to someone.

Who cares about ideas when you can b**** about politesse.

Originally posted by Eladar
What did Ryan prove himself to be?

Patient and difficult to take off message.

Convinced of his own theories, even if his glasses are a bit rosey.

His biggest problem last night was that he didn't present his ideas in bullet point format. He did what Obama did the last time and rambled on about policy points to which nobody would be paying attention. And he persisted in inaccuracies even after realizing that Biden wasn't going to just let them sit. Biden didn't give him an inch, and Ryan looked kind of shell-shocked by the end of the debate.

Originally posted by sh76
I thought Biden won narrowly on substance and I was disappointed in Ryan's lack of ability to spit out oodles of numbers to make his case. I did not see the same Ryan as I've seen at some Congressional hearings.

Still, Biden's hysterics and rudeness could not have played well to anyone but the converted. He sounded okay, but he looked like a buffoon.

I think that also is a partisan impression. How it's affecting the few people who remain undecided, we won't know for days.

I don' think the throwing out numbers would have worked well. He just needed a more focused presentation, but I think Biden psyched him out.

Originally posted by sh76
He seems to have just from the dentist's office and the laughing gas has yet to wear off. I guess they told him to be fiesty and he took that to mean laugh hysterically every 2 minutes.

Other than his head being permanently embedded in his ass, he is likely OK.

Originally posted by Kunsoo
He voted against Iraq, but for Afghanistan.

Not what I heard...

Then Sen. Biden voted for the Afghanistan resolution on Sept. 14, 2001 which authorized “the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.”

And on Oct. 11, 2002, Biden voted for a resolution authorizing unilateral military action in Iraq, according to the Washington Post.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/biden-insinuates-he-didnt-vote-afghanistan-iraq-wars_654253.html



What's your source?

Originally posted by Sleepyguy
Finally caught up on C-SPAN. I think Biden was on shrooms. Shrooms that make you a condescending prick or something.

Edit: And I think he lied about not voting for the Iraq/Afghan wars.

I don't think he claimed not to have voted for the wars; I think he claimed that the wars weren't paid for because of the Bush tax cuts that he didn't vote for. Quote:

And, by the way, they talk about this Great Recession if it fell out of the sky, like, “Oh, my goodness, where did it come from?” It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card, to at the same time put a prescription drug benefit on the credit card, a trillion-dollar tax cut for the very wealthy. I was there. I voted against them. I said, no, we can’t afford that.

http://www.therightscoop.com/karl-rove-on-debate-biden-voted-for-both-wars-in-afghanistan-and-iraq-even-though-he-said-he-didnt/

Originally posted by moon1969
Romney/Ryan have taken lies and flip-flops to levels never seen before in presidential politics. We are not talking about spinning the facts and a little fiction here or there, as there has always been on both sides.

Instead, it is demeaning deception, blatant lies, and outright flip-flops. Romney/Ryan really degrade the Office of the Presidency, and the ...[text shortened]...
Well-done Biden. You did a honorable and effective service for the American people last night.

Here are the top ten worst lies told by Biden during the debate:

Update - Honorable Mention: "There's not one Democrat who endorsed his...plan." Biden lied--as Ryan pointed out, amidst the Vice President's interruptions--about the fact that Ryan had worked with both Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon and former Clinton budget director Alice Rivlin in developing his entitlement reforms. While it's true that neither have endorsed the Romney-Ryan ticket's separate plan--which is different--Ryan's own plans, to which Biden referred, were endorsed by Democrats, and Biden knows it.

10. "With all due respect, that’s a bunch of malarkey....not a single thing he said is accurate." At the outset of the debate, Biden tried to paint Ryan as a liar--when Biden, in fact, was the one lying. Ryan had pointed out: 1) that the White House had distanced itself from the Cairo embassy's apologies on 9/11; 2) that Obama had failed to speak up for Iranian protestors in 2009; 3) that the Obama administration called Syria's dictator a "reformer"; 4) and that the Obama administration is imposing defense cuts and projecting weakness. All of that is true.

9. "The president has met with Bibi [Netanyahu] a dozen times....This is a bunch of stuff." While they have met several times--not a dozen--that includes a meeting at which Obama made the Israeli prime minister enter the White House through a back entrance, refused to take a picture with him, and left him on his own for dinner. Specifically, Ryan had criticized Obama's refusal to meet Netanyahu in New York last month, and to tape talk show interviews instead--a clear snub that sent the wrong signal, again, to Israel's enemies.

8. "Just let the taxes expire like they’re supposed to on those millionaires." Biden's "millionaires" are actually households earning more than $250,000 a year, which includes many middle-class families with two earners, and small business owners in particular who report business earnings as personal income. Biden and Obama have repeatedly labeled those earning over $250,000 as "millionaires and billionaires," distorting the actual impact of their tax plan on the non-millionaires it would hit hardest, who create a vast proportion of small business jobs.

7. "You know, I heard that death panel argument from Sarah Palin. It seems that every vice presidential debate, I hear this kind of stuff about panels." Biden's cheap shot against Palin was an attempt to diminish both her and the man sitting across from him. But Palin never talked about "death panels" in her debate with Biden, for the simple reason that Obamacare had not yet been proposed. Nor did Ryan mention "death panels"--he had addressed the undeniable fact that Obamacare proposes a board to impose cost controls.

6. "The congressman here cut embassy security in his budget by $300 million below what we asked for." Biden's lie about Ryan's budget was an attempt to dodge responsibility for lax embassy security--and to cover up that the Obama administration called for new cuts to embassy security just days after the 9/11 attacks. Ryan's proposal, which called for a 19% overall decrease in non-defense discretionary spending, does not even mention embassy security--the Obama campaign merely made up that number by applying 19% across the board.

5. "No, they are not four years closer to a nuclear weapon." Biden's attempt to lie about the glaring reality of the Iranian nuclear program fell flat. Iran is indeed four years closer to a nuclear weapon, and the Obama administration--believing it knew better than its predecessors--tried to reinvent the wheel on talks with Iran, causing frustration to our allies in Europe and the Middle East. Meeting after meeting this year has failed to produce results, and the loophole-filled sanctions, while hurting Iran somewhat, are not stopping its nuclear program.

4. "No religious institution, Catholic or otherwise...has to be a vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide. That is a fact." No, it is not a fact--it is the opposite of a fact, and saying "that is a fact" does not make it any less a blatant lie. The Obama administration is forcing religious institutions to provide contraceptive and abortion drugs through their insurance policies. That is the reason several dozen religious institutions are suing the administration to defend their First Amendment freedom of religion.

3. "It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card...I was there. I voted against him." Biden voted for both the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war. He did not vote for George W. Bush's plan to extend coverage of Medicare to prescription drugs (though he voted for an earlier, similar proposal), nor did he vote for the Bush tax cuts. But he voted for both of the wars he derided last night. To quote Bill Clinton's speech to the Democratic National Convention: "It takes some brass to attack a guy for doing what you did."

2. "What we did is we saved $716 billion and put it back -- applied it to Medicare." Biden repeated the lie the Obama administration has been telling since before Obamacare passed in 2010: that cuts to Medicare today were savings that extend the life of the program. They would be--if the same $716 billion wasn't also being used to pay for Obamacare. As Ryan pointed out in 2010, and again last night, you can't double-count the same cuts. Taking $716 billion out of Medicare means exactly that--and hurts, not helps, the program's solvency.

1. "Well, we weren’t told they wanted more security again." Biden lied through his teeth about the fact that the administration--specifically, the State Department--had been told again and again that security on the ground in Libya, and in Benghazi in particular, was inadequate. The day before, in Congressional hearings on the Libya attacks, former regional security director Eric Nordstrom described his frustration with having those requests turned down by the government bureaucracy: "For me the Taliban is on the inside of the building

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/12/Fact-Check-Top-Ten-Worst-Lies-by-Joe-Biden-in-VP-Debate