03 Apr 23
@sh76 saidShould local DAs decide what crimes to prosecute based on national political considerations?
It's not a witch hunt, but it is a quite shrewd mechanism by which to assist the candidate with the glass jaw in winning the nomination.
Paradoxically, getting indicted helps Trump in the primary and hurts him in the general, which is why the Dems would be smart to indict him, but not to really push for trial.
A trial is lose/lose for Dems. If Trump is acquitted, it helps ...[text shortened]... f indicting a political opponent who is leading in polls to be your opposition in the next election.
We'll have to wait until tomorrow to see what Trump is charged with, but I strongly suspect it will involve more than the reimbursement of Cohen for the Daniels payoff. Remember the Trump Organization got convicted of 17 counts of falsifying business records and tax fraud in December.
It's hard to say when a trial will take place, but Trump's MO has been to impede and delay any legal proceedings against him. I think he's more likely to try to push it past Election Day 2024 than Bragg is.
03 Apr 23
@sonhouse saidThe Roman Emperor Nero was also very popular with the rubes living in the boondocks. It's amazing, the parallels.
@mchill
Do you seriously think the zombies care a whit about ANY of that? Donald is their man, I just heard one idiot dude on the radio say, I will vote for him no matter what.
My own sister, a dyed in the wool Trumpite, now says the courts are OBVIOUSLY corrupt because my god king Trump is TOTALLY innocent.
I just heard about Trump getting in touch with Nixon after he resigned and they got to be buddy buddy and it was Nixon who urged Trump to run for POTUS.
03 Apr 23
@soothfast saidI think many of you living in these cities your whole life is a disadvantage to understanding what American values truly are. if you ever knew, and what made us excel and great as a nation.
The Roman Emperor Nero was also very popular with the rubes living in the boondocks. It's amazing, the parallels.
03 Apr 23
@mike69 saidI've lived in urban California, rural Tennessee, suburban Pennsylvania, and in Germany and Switzerland.
I think many of you living in these cities your whole life is a disadvantage to understanding what American values truly are. if you ever knew, and what made us excel and great as a nation.
All of this, and more besides, has taught me that the rubes are on the wrong side of history. It's now only a question whether you suckers are going to drag us all into a civil war or not.
03 Apr 23
@no1marauder saidI can't know Bragg's true motivations, but it beggars the imagination to believe they'd still be making such a fuss over Stormy Daniels if, say, Trump had lost in 2016 and gone off and lived on a ranch in Montana. Same with any throw in charges unless there's something new and Earth-shattering in it.
Should local DAs decide what crimes to prosecute based on national political considerations?
We'll have to wait until tomorrow to see what Trump is charged with, but I strongly suspect it will involve more than the reimbursement of Cohen for the Daniels payoff. Remember the Trump Organization got convicted of 17 counts of falsifying business records and tax fraud in De ...[text shortened]... edings against him. I think he's more likely to try to push it past Election Day 2024 than Bragg is.
03 Apr 23
@sh76 saidFortunately what the criminal justice system can and can't do is not limited by your imagination.
I can't know Bragg's true motivations, but it beggars the imagination to believe they'd still be making such a fuss over Stormy Daniels if, say, Trump had lost in 2016 and gone off and lived on a ranch in Montana. Same with any throw in charges unless there's something new and Earth-shattering in it.
03 Apr 23
@sh76 saidThat's a dodge.
I can't know Bragg's true motivations, but it beggars the imagination to believe they'd still be making such a fuss over Stormy Daniels if, say, Trump had lost in 2016 and gone off and lived on a ranch in Montana. Same with any throw in charges unless there's something new and Earth-shattering in it.
I ask again: Should local DAs decide what crimes to prosecute based on national political considerations?
It's quite likely Trump would have been prosecuted for the Daniels payoff and falsification of records to reimburse Cohen (who was charged and convicted) if he had lost in 2016 and didn't have a friendly DOJ with the added advantage of a decades old departmental guidance saying sitting Presidents couldn't be indicted.
Something "new" may well be evidence that turned up in the Weisselberg investigation once he pled and started cooperating. We'll see tomorrow.
Now pretty much all DAs are politically ambitious, so it would hardly be surprising if Bragg took into consideration his own future when deciding to press the investigation (remember two of his ADAs resigned last year because they claimed he wasn't being aggressive enough). But that is different from your apparent claim that, at least in this case, local DAs should tailor their charging decisions or lack thereof to national political considerations.
03 Apr 23
@sh76 saidI think it's quite the opposite John Edwards lost his campaign. You can still find his mugshot online.
I can't know Bragg's true motivations, but it beggars the imagination to believe they'd still be making such a fuss over Stormy Daniels if, say, Trump had lost in 2016 and gone off and lived on a ranch in Montana. Same with any throw in charges unless there's something new and Earth-shattering in it.
But many are arguing and have argued for years that Trump should not be prosecuted because he is/was president.
His personal lawyer went to jail for delivering a check with trump's signature on it?
03 Apr 23
@no1marauder said===I ask again: Should local DAs decide what crimes to prosecute based on national political considerations?===
That's a dodge.
I ask again: Should local DAs decide what crimes to prosecute based on national political considerations?
It's quite likely Trump would have been prosecuted for the Daniels payoff and falsification of records to reimburse Cohen (who was charged and convicted) if he had lost in 2016 and didn't have a friendly DOJ with the added advantage of a decades ...[text shortened]... cal DAs should tailor their charging decisions or lack thereof to national political considerations.
Yes.
I'm sorry if that offends notions of fair play and substantial justice and all of that, but indicting a political opponent (and I know that he's not technically an opponent, but realistically, we all know his political affiliation) contains too much symbolism for all of those considerations to be ignored.
I would have said precisely the same thing if Hillary had been indicted over the email thing. Unless there's something truly serious going on, you don't win elections by putting your opponents in prison.
I am rooting harder against Trump than you are. Heck, you're probably rooting for him in the primary. I'd love for him to drop dead now. But this is not the way.
03 Apr 23
@wildgrass said===I think it's quite the opposite John Edwards lost his campaign. ===
I think it's quite the opposite John Edwards lost his campaign. You can still find his mugshot online.
But many are arguing and have argued for years that Trump should not be prosecuted because he is/was president.
His personal lawyer went to jail for delivering a check with trump's signature on it?
This is gonna sound tongue in cheek, but it's really not.
Democrats consider being indicted to be something negative.
03 Apr 23
@sh76 saidI see no reason to acquiesce in such reasoning esp. when it seems quite plausible that a motivating factor for Trump to decide to run again was precisely to avoid criminal charges in this, and several other, investigations.
===I ask again: Should local DAs decide what crimes to prosecute based on national political considerations?===
Yes.
I'm sorry if that offends notions of fair play and substantial justice and all of that, but indicting a political opponent (and I know that he's not technically an opponent, but realistically, we all know his political affiliation) contains too much symbolis ...[text shortened]... probably rooting for him in the primary. I'd love for him to drop dead now. But this is not the way.
03 Apr 23
@sh76 said“I can't know Bragg's true motivations”
I can't know Bragg's true motivations, but it beggars the imagination to believe they'd still be making such a fuss over Stormy Daniels if, say, Trump had lost in 2016 and gone off and lived on a ranch in Montana. Same with any throw in charges unless there's something new and Earth-shattering in it.
the whole damned world knows his intentions…you are a lib trying to run under the radar
03 Apr 23
@no1marauder saidLOL…little courtly still trying?
I see no reason to acquiesce in such reasoning esp. when it seems quite plausible that a motivating factor for Trump to decide to run again was precisely to avoid criminal charges in this, and several other, investigations.
@mott-the-hoople saidDude.
“I can't know Bragg's true motivations”
the whole damned world knows his intentions…you are a lib trying to run under the radar
There are a lotta things that I am.
Lib ain't one of them.