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@kevcvs57 said
I’m not and never have been a Republican so your statement doesn’t make any sense.
The lie or mistake that you’ve never retracted is that renewables are as, or more polluting than fossil fuels. I guess it takes a man to hold his hand up so I won’t hold my breath.

I never said 'renewables"...you are still lying. I will give you the chance to quote me on that though.

@mott-the-hoople said
I never said 'renewables"...you are still lying. I will give you the chance to quote me on that though.

“ with green energy being the thing...just wait till its time to dispose of the materials required to make these solar panels, batteries ect. You havent seen pollution yet.”

If you do not know what the term ‘renewables’ refers to perhaps you are not quite ready for this debate.

@kevcvs57 said
“ with green energy being the thing...just wait till its time to dispose of the materials required to make these solar panels, batteries ect. You havent seen pollution yet.”

If you do not know what the term ‘renewables’ refers to perhaps you are not quite ready for this debate.

what is "renewable" about the materials required to make solar panels and batteries?

@mott-the-hoople said
what is "renewable" about the materials required to make solar panels and batteries?

It’s the energy that they capture that is renewable that’s why those options are known collectively as renewable. Unless your expecting the Sun to stop shining, the wind to stop blowing or the waves to stop rolling anytime soon.
Fossil fuels are definitely not renewable because you can only use the finite reserves once and they produce Co2 as a by product when used.
The problem of disposal is no more an issue with batteries and solar panels than it is with disposing of oil rigs and cooling towers, probably less.

@kevcvs57 said
It’s the energy that they capture that is renewable that’s why those options are known collectively as renewable. Unless your expecting the Sun to stop shining, the wind to stop blowing or the waves to stop rolling anytime soon.
Fossil fuels are definitely not renewable because you can only use the finite reserves once and they produce Co2 as a by product when used.
The pr ...[text shortened]... batteries and solar panels than it is with disposing of oil rigs and cooling towers, probably less.

you are not answering my question.

You tried to twist my original statement and now you are squirming around trying to argue something else.

@mott-the-hoople said
you are not answering my question.

You tried to twist my original statement and now you are squirming around trying to argue something else.

No your just not honest enough to admit that you were talking nonsense in the first place.
I’ve explained what renewables are and it was the energy gathering and storage infrastructure of the renewables sector that were ridiculously claiming to be more polluting than the infrastructure of the fossil / carbon energy gathering industry.
You really do not have anywhere to go on this one do you.

@kevcvs57 said
No your just not honest enough to admit that you were talking nonsense in the first place.
I’ve explained what renewables are and it was the energy gathering and storage infrastructure of the renewables sector that were ridiculously claiming to be more polluting than the infrastructure of the fossil / carbon energy gathering industry.
You really do not have anywhere to go on this one do you.

read this article about "reneweable" energy solar panels and it explains exactly what I said.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2018/05/23/if-solar-panels-are-so-clean-why-do-they-produce-so-much-toxic-waste/?sh=3749c58e121c

"The Trouble With Solar Waste

The International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA) in 2016 estimated there was about 250,000 metric tonnes of solar panel waste in the world at the end of that year. IRENA projected that this amount could reach 78 million metric tonnes by 2050.

Solar panels often contain lead, cadmium, and other toxic chemicals that cannot be removed without breaking apart the entire panel. “Approximately 90% of most PV modules are made up of glass,” notes San Jose State environmental studies professor Dustin Mulvaney. “However, this glass often cannot be recycled as float glass due to impurities. Common problematic impurities in glass include plastics, lead, cadmium and antimony.”

Researchers with the Electric Power Research Institute (EPRI) undertook a study for U.S. solar-owning utilities to plan for end-of-life and concluded that solar panel “disposal in “regular landfills [is] not recommended in case modules break and toxic materials leach into the soil” and so “disposal is potentially a major issue.”

California is in the process of determining how to divert solar panels from landfills, which is where they currently go,>>>>> at the end of their life.<<<<<

California's Department of Toxic Substances Control (DTSC), which is implementing the new regulations, held a meeting last August with solar and waste industry representatives to discuss how to deal with the issue of solar waste. At the meeting, the representatives from industry and DTSC all acknowledged how difficult it would be to test to determine whether a solar panel being removed would be classified as hazardous waste or not.

The DTSC described building a database where solar panels and their toxicity could be tracked by their model numbers, but it's not clear DTSC will do this.

"The theory behind the regulations is to make [disposal] less burdensome," explained Rick Brausch of DTSC. "Putting it as universal waste eliminates the testing requirement."

The fact that cadmium can be washed out of solar modules by rainwater is increasingly a concern for local environmentalists like the Concerned Citizens of Fawn Lake in Virginia, where a 6,350 acre solar farm to partly power Microsoft data centers is being proposed.

“We estimate there are 100,000 pounds of cadmium contained in the 1.8 million panels,” Sean Fogarty of the group told me. “Leaching from broken panels damaged during natural events — hail storms, tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes, etc. — and at decommissioning is a big concern.”

There is real-world precedent for this concern. A tornado in 2015 broke 200,000 solar modules at southern California solar farm Desert Sunlight.

"Any modules that were broken into small bits of glass had to be swept from the ground," Mulvaney explained, "so lots of rocks and dirt got mixed in that would not work in recycling plants that are designed to take modules. These were the cadmium-based modules that failed [hazardous] waste tests, so were treated at a [hazardous] waste facility. But about 70 percent of the modules were actually sent to recycling, and the recycled metals are in new panels today."

And when Hurricane Maria hit Puerto Rico last September, the nation’s second largest solar farm, responsible for 40 percent of the island’s solar energy, lost a majority of its panels.

You have been mislead by your leaders, meanwhile they, along with the chinese makers get rich. Notice above where I highlighted "at the end of their life! that my friend is not "renewable".

@mott-the-hoople said
read this article about "reneweable" energy solar panels and it explains exactly what I said.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2018/05/23/if-solar-panels-are-so-clean-why-do-they-produce-so-much-toxic-waste/?sh=3749c58e121c

"[b]The Trouble With Solar Waste

The International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA) in 2016 estimated there was about 250 ...[text shortened]... ich. Notice above where I highlighted "at the end of their life! that my friend is not "renewable".

No you have been wilfully misled by yourself, there is a problem with any kind of waste if it isn’t disposed of properly, like when the means of disposal are left to unregulated private corporations who then find the cheapest way to sweep it under the carpet.
Disposal is a political problem not a scientific one. It will take governments with gonads to FORCE private companies to comply with strict regulation that will, shock horror, eat into their profit margins.
None of this gets away from the fact that fossil fuel production and use is way way more polluting in the short and long term than renewables. All the reports in the world are not going to change that simple fact do stop grasping at straws.
We haven’t even talked about the damage done to the worlds oceans and us by oil tanker leaks and offshoots of the petrochemical industry like plastics so give me a break with your crocodile tears about a few broken panels.

@kevcvs57 said
No you have been wilfully misled by yourself, there is a problem with any kind of waste if it isn’t disposed of properly, like when the means of disposal are left to unregulated private corporations who then find the cheapest way to sweep it under the carpet.
Disposal is a political problem not a scientific one. It will take governments with gonads to FORCE private compani ...[text shortened]... mical industry like plastics so give me a break with your crocodile tears about a few broken panels.

oil gets in thd water, a few fish die...cadmium, lithium gets in the water we all die...choose your poison wisely.

@mott-the-hoople said
oil gets in thd water, a few fish die...cadmium, lithium gets in the water we all die...choose your poison wisely.

We are dying already from ingesting micro plastics and every toxin under the sun being pumped into our rivers and oceans by cowboy industries. The only solution is to put the cowboys in jail.

@kevcvs57 said
We are dying already from ingesting micro plastics and every toxin under the sun being pumped into our rivers and oceans by cowboy industries. The only solution is to put the cowboys in jail.

full blown stupid

@mott-the-hoople said
full blown stupid

You got that right.

@kevcvs57 said
We are dying already from ingesting micro plastics and every toxin under the sun being pumped into our rivers and oceans by cowboy industries. The only solution is to put the cowboys in jail.

Sure, but that would require taking both Bezos and Jinping to task. So it's never gonna happen.

@shallow-blue said
Sure, but that would require taking both Bezos and Jinping to task. So it's never gonna happen.

I take your point but the fact remains that disposing of waste materials from renewable energy production is controllable if the will is there. Whereas there is no way I know of to control Co2 once it’s left the exhaust pipe or chimney.

@kevcvs57 said
We are dying already from ingesting micro plastics and every toxin under the sun being pumped into our rivers and oceans by cowboy industries. The only solution is to put the cowboys in jail.

By cowboys you mean the massive pollution from China and India and surrounding countries?
My environmental science class had some interesting data about the worst pollution is from China and India.

But...

Blame whitey! ... that'll fix everything 🙄