Japanese excused

Originally posted by Starrman
Agreed, that's the most reasonable thing I've seen you post in ages.

I have my moments.

Originally posted by boarman
Can the Japanese ever be excused for the attrocities that they did WW2.
I am reading a book at the moment called Prisoners Of War,and the horrific torture and punishment that the Japanese soldiers committed is horrific ,it makes todays terrorists look like choir boys .
I cannot excuse them after reading this book ,do others feel the same?

you forget the japanese way of life. for them, soldiers who surrender are corpses who breathe. for them the one who will choose life in captivity over death is inexcusable.

and speaking of inexcusable, how about the inquisition, how about the german nazis, how about americans owning slaves and exterminating native americans and taking their lands.

try to see other horrors in human history before condemning a people for actions made in time of war.(5 years. how many centuries did the inquisition smudge the human history) so don't tell us about inexcusable.

Originally posted by der schwarze Ritter
I agree: The treatment Allied POWs and civilians received at the hands of the Japanese military was inexcusable. However, I don’t believe we can hold a nation’s progeny responsible for the crimes committed by their forebears, especially if the current generation is repentant and doesn’t act in the same way their forefathers did.

hehe i really doubt the japanese are so repentant. i say they just discovered that the world can bu ruled in another way, not necessarily through military might

Originally posted by boarman
Can the Japanese ever be excused for the attrocities that they did WW2.
I am reading a book at the moment called Prisoners Of War,and the horrific torture and punishment that the Japanese soldiers committed is horrific ,it makes todays terrorists look like choir boys .
I cannot excuse them after reading this book ,do others feel the same?

I think they can and should be excused. We are 1-2 generations past WW2 and those who are living now didn't commit those attrocities. There is no reason for us to hold them accountible now.

Besides, weren't the two bombs punishment enough?

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
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What did the two cultures, superficially so different, have in them that made them act out so horrendously in parallel?

brand new toys without accompanying morals.

Originally posted by boarman
I cannot excuse them after reading this book ,do others feel the same?

No.

But then, I don't rush to embrace ludicrous reasons to hate people.

Originally posted by Starrman
Agreed, that's the most reasonable thing I've seen you post in ages.

It was not as bad as killing your own people and family in the same country like Pres A Linchon butchered his own people of the south,
The japs were at war with another country ?
They also killed the native indians ?
No the Japanese can not be excused.

Originally posted by rowpc
It was not as bad as killing your own people and family in the same country like Pres A Linchon butchered his own people of the south,
The japs were at war with another country ?
They also killed the native indians ?
No the Japanese can not be excused.

I have no idea what you just said.

However, I think this topic can be summed up thus:

You can clearly hold an opinion on the conduct of the Japanese army during the war and are free to choose whether or not their actions therein were reasonable/forgiveable at the time etc. However, to judge an entire nation on the same criteria 60 years after the event, in the knowledge that hardly anyone responsible for these attrocities is still left alive and when the Japanese people as a whole are repentent of them, is pretty bloody silly.

Originally posted by Starrman
I have no idea what you just said.

However, I think this topic can be summed up thus:

You can clearly hold an opinion on the conduct of the Japanese army during the war and are free to choose whether or not their actions therein were reasonable/forgiveable at the time etc. However, to judge an entire nation on the same criteria 60 years after the eve ...[text shortened]... eft alive and when the Japanese people as a whole are repentent of them, is pretty bloody silly.

I am saying its not only the Japs that performed horrific torture and punishment to soldiers during a war there have been many wars of much the same nature in the past and present thats what war is all about.
The Japs The Yanks The poms The French The Germans the list goes on we cant change all that history they all commited horrific crimes it still happens today, look at terrorist today can you get much worse than that

Originally posted by rowpc
I am saying its not only the Japs that performed horrific torture and punishment to soldiers during a war there have been many wars of much the same nature in the past and present thats what war is all about.
The Japs The Yanks The poms The French The Germans the list goes on we cant change all that history they all commited horrific crimes it still happens today, look at terrorist today can you get much worse than that

well, actually it seems to have died down, and we're down to Darfur.

Originally posted by zeeblebot
well, actually it seems to have died down, and we're down to Darfur.

It hasent died down much it is now hit and run or die for the cause.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
hehe i really doubt the japanese are so repentant. i say they just discovered that the world can bu ruled in another way, not necessarily through military might

I don't know how they're going to rule anything -- there's a shortage of babies being born in the land of the rising sun. Moreover, they have enormous social costs that they've promised their labor force and not enough younger worker bees to bear the costs. Maybe they will solve this problem with robots (I'm totally serious).

Originally posted by der schwarze Ritter
I don't know how they're going to rule anything -- there's a shortage of babies being born in the land of the rising sun. Moreover, they have enormous social costs that they've promised their labor force and not enough younger worker bees to bear the costs. Maybe they will solve this problem with robots (I'm totally serious).

Yes, I heard that the social and idological nature of the Japanese means that they don;t generally have the same Western-based fears of techonology taking over and such. Moving away from terminator-style self aware robots, in real terms a robot-workforce would reduce the need for children even furhter. without the ideoloigical/ethical contrainsts of the western pysche, Japan will surely become even more economically advanced with it's robotised industry.

Originally posted by rowpc
I am saying its not only the Japs that performed horrific torture and punishment to soldiers during a war there have been many wars of much the same nature in the past and present thats what war is all about.
The Japs The Yanks The poms The French The Germans the list goes on we cant change all that history they all commited horrific crimes it still happens today, look at terrorist today can you get much worse than that

and the list goes on. So what. All powerrful countries have acted horrifically thru the course of history. Should we be angry at Mongolia today for raping and destroying Bagdad hundreds of years ago? Hello. Life goes on.

I lived in Japan for several years and havve many good Japanese friends. They don't like what happened during the war. But, i don't blame them for what their grandparents did. and they dont blame americans alive today for the A-bombs that wered dropped.

Originally posted by mochiron
and the list goes on. So what. All powerrful countries have acted horrifically thru the course of history. Should we be angry at Mongolia today for raping and destroying Bagdad hundreds of years ago? Hello. Life goes on.

I lived in Japan for several years and havve many good Japanese friends. They don't like what happened during the war. But, i don't bla ...[text shortened]... randparents did. and they dont blame americans alive today for the A-bombs that wered dropped.

I'd give you a rec' for this, Mochiron, if I hadn't used them all 😞