Jones Suspended For Season; Henry, 8 Games

Originally posted by techsouth
Didn't you say "So he's been "interviewed" by the police a bunch of times and for one incident they've "recommended" charges but apparently none have been filed yet. This is enough to deprive a man of his livelihood???"

How do you conclude that this is all the NFL knows and all they are basing their decision on?

And since the NFL has no powe ...[text shortened]... NFL has, and personally, I'd hope they have some discretion in what is revealed.

You would have made a good German in the 30's with your overwhelming trust in authority.

Originally posted by no1marauder
You would have made a good German in the 30's with your overwhelming trust in authority.

The NFL is a free entity. Personally, I can't imagine them picking a player at random, for no reason, and trumping up a reason to suspend him. But perhaps they've exaggerated things for PR reason, who cares? It's a game, and a business. If they cut a player for business reasons, fantastic. In any case, I started out suggesting the NFL based its decision on more than just 3 simple sentences. Although you make a good point that I don't know for sure, I am nevertheless virtually certain they have more information on this than you or me. If that makes me naive in your book, so be it. Still I haven't gone so far as to say they do have more information, I have merely said I suspect they have more information.

OTH: Government power and government decision making I'm generally not thrilled about. Even programs started with ostensibly good intentions are suspect. The NFL can't make me watch, they can't make me buy tickets, and they can't make me buy licensed merchandise, but the government has unlimited power to take my money (through taxes), they can throw me in jail, and they can take my kids away. I don't even see a valid reason to compare the idea of trusting the NFL to make their own business decisions and trusting the government in sending people to "work camps".

Originally posted by techsouth
The NFL is a free entity. Personally, I can't imagine them picking a player at random, for no reason, and trumping up a reason to suspend him. But perhaps they've exaggerated things for PR reason, who cares? It's a game, and a business. If they cut a player for business reasons, fantastic. In any case, I started out suggesting the NFL based its decisi wn business decisions and trusting the government in sending people to "work camps".

The NFL isn't actually his employer; the Tennessee Titans are. And they did not suspend him. Even if the NFL was his employer, I do not think that the any private employer should have the right to void an employment contract based on behavior having nothing to do with the employment itself that doesn't affect job performance.

My point stands; you are perfectly willing to assume that an authority's decision is correct based on nothing more than the fact that they have the power to make such a decision. We know where that type of thinking leads.

Originally posted by no1marauder
The NFL isn't actually his employer; the Tennessee Titans are. And they did not suspend him. Even if the NFL was his employer, I do not think that the any private employer should have the right to void an employment contract based on behavior having nothing to do with the employment itself that doesn't affect job performance.

My point stands; ...[text shortened]... that they have the power to make such a decision. We know where that type of thinking leads.

What are you suggesting? Allow private citizens to subpoena the NFL commissioner? Any Joe Schmoe can call the NFL commissioner on the carpet and demand he answer questions under oath?

Or, what if we give the government that responsibility? They wouldn't abuse the power for political reasons. And what better way to protect us from totalitarianism at the hands of the NFL than to grant our government more control.

Originally posted by no1marauder
You would have made a good German in the 30's with your overwhelming trust in authority.

ATTN: The Nazi card has been played. That's it, the discussion is over, everyone go home. no1marauder is morally superior to anyone who disagrees with him.

Originally posted by techsouth
What are you suggesting? Allow private citizens to subpoena the NFL commissioner? Any Joe Schmoe can call the NFL commissioner on the carpet and demand he answer questions under oath?

Or, what if we give the government that responsibility? They wouldn't abuse the power for political reasons. And what better way to protect us from totalitarianism at the hands of the NFL than to grant our government more control.

No one said anything about the government, shmuck. The first poster asked for opinions; I gave mine. However, there is a place to resolve disputes between parties to a contract i.e. in court. Don't be surprised if the suspension ends up there.

Originally posted by der schwarze Ritter
ATTN: The Nazi card has been played. That's it, the discussion is over, everyone go home. no1marauder is morally superior to anyone who disagrees with him.

I don't know about "morally superior" but I don't spew a bunch of hysterical, racist crap like you did in this (and many other) thread(s).

Originally posted by no1marauder
From the article:

Jones' off-field conduct has included 10 incidents where he was [b]interviewed by police. The most recent took place during the NBA All- Star weekend in Las Vegas. Police there recommended felony and misdemeanor charges against Jones after a fight and shooting at a strip club paralyzed one man.

So he's been "inte ...[text shortened]... an of his livelihood??? Whatever happened to that "innocent until proven guilty" stuff?[/b]

The real world is just a little different than a courtroom.

Only a shyster like you would try to equate the two.

Pacmans lucky he's still got a job. I've worked many places where people have been outright fired for nothing bigger than .. the boss didn't like the way they looked one day. Lots of places you work "At Will" of the employer .. whenever he wills you not to have a job .. you're toast.

Originally posted by no1marauder
No, YOU were claiming that "black culture" caused felonies! Who's the racist??? Something like 70% of NFL players are black and given the racist way laws are enforced in the US it's no surprise to me that the majority of NFL players who get accused of criminal misconduct are black.

I do know what a felony is. And I don't care if a guy has a ...[text shortened]... viction bars employment in many licensed professions - which playing football is not).

maybe he can get a job with the Jets.