@kazetnagorra saidThe claim that the election was "unfair" is pretty unconvincing. What evidence supports such an assertion?
Or they might have lost an unfair election, legitimizing Maduro's victory.
BY refusing to contest the election, they left no legal avenues to remove Maduro. IF they want violence and civil war, it was a good move; if they want Maduro out short of such measures, it was a poor one.
Considering that turnout in 2018 was a mere 46.1% (and a 1/3 of those voted against Maduro) while 2013 turnout was 80%, it seems highly likely that Maduro would have been defeated if the opposition hadn't boycotted esp. if they had united behind one candidate. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/21/venezuela-elections-nicolas-maduro-wins-second-term
This whole crisis could well have been averted.
22 Mar 19
@no1marauder said
The claim that the election was "unfair" is pretty unconvincing. What evidence supports such an assertion?
BY refusing to contest the election, they left no legal avenues to remove Maduro. IF they want violence and civil war, it was a good move; if they want Maduro out short of such measures, it was a poor one.
There were certainly problems with the 2018 election; some major opposition figures were barred from running for various reasons. [...] The claim that the election was "unfair" is pretty unconvincing.
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@kazetnagorra saidThose comments are not contradictory; there can be "problems" with an election yet the resulting election might not be "unfair". It is a "problem" that Donald Trump could win an election for US President while getting 3 million less votes but that doesn't mean the election was "unfair" in the sense of being illegitimate.There were certainly problems with the 2018 election; some major opposition figures were barred from running for various reasons. [...] The claim that the election was "unfair" is pretty unconvincing.
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I don't think Capriles and the others should have been banned from running, but as far as the actual election I don't see convincing evidence that it was run in a way that would have made Maduro's victory a foregone conclusion.
@metal-brain saidOh, I dunno, most of your conspiracy theories are as stupid as his.
Nope. Alex Jones is a Trump supporter and a traitor to his own cause. I don't like him at all.
23 Mar 19
@metal-brain saidOh, I dunno, MB, light up another one.
I don't recall expressing a conspiracy theory on this thread. What are you talking about?
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@metal-brain saidWell, you did end that paragraph like an extremist would, saying a specific individual should have been executed.
Was it this?
"Empires are like organized crime"
That is not a conspiracy theory, it is an observation.
@js357 saidKissinger advised Nixon to overthrow a democratically elected leader and replace him with Pinochet, a brutal dictator. People were killed in that coup, then there were subsequent killings to brutally oppress.
Well, you did end that paragraph like an extremist would, saying a specific individual should have been executed.
That doesn't deserve execution? How is my wanting Kissinger to face justice extreme?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/jun/12/chile.pinochet
https://www.smh.com.au/world/why-the-law-wants-a-word-with-kissinger-20020430-gdf8k1.html
https://sanjuanhorseshoe.com/kissingers-extradition-to-uruguay-sought-over-operation-condor/
